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Can this Model E really be a 1,000,000+ meter machine?

Postby Myopic Squirrel » July 10th, 2013, 6:04 pm

Just bought a Model E, and was shocked to see the Lifetime Meters is 1,127,367! Shocked because, although built the 331 day of 2006, it looks as if it is just out of the box(es). The frame and footstretcher retrofits haven't been added (no frame cracks - I'm awaiting their delivery from Concept 2); inspection of the handle shows no wear or elongation of the holes; no wear of the U bolt, chain seems okay - no stiff links; shock cords seem tight, flashlight inspection of fan blades shows clean; screw heads look unscratched; drag factor 102 @ 3 setting, 125 @ 5 setting. The PM 4 SN corresponds to the machine SN, but it shows a "Model D" (?) when turned on (it's the PM 4 based on the illustrations in the Manual). The only history of usage I could find showed it was used 1x in '10, 2x in '11 and 21x in '12, and the C2 log card is blank. Would it seem reasonable that a machine rowed that many meters would appear in such excellent condition? That the above components might have all been replaced? The body - legs - seat rail - all look new. Thank you for your thoughts. (will be upgrading PM Firmware to current version).

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Re: Can this Model E really be a 1,000,000+ meter machine?

Postby OarConsequences » July 10th, 2013, 6:45 pm

I could see that if it had a single owner for home use. Far less likely if it was used by a team or in a gym. If the owner was more recreational and just logged easy miles at low wattage that would explain the low wear around the handle. I would also say a Model E fits that scenario nicely as well. As long as everything checks out and works I'd say you shouldn't look a gift horse in the mouth! Congrats on your purchase.
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Re: Can this Model E really be a 1,000,000+ meter machine?

Postby Citroen » July 11th, 2013, 12:19 am

The PM4 showing "Model D" is normal.

Later firmware makes the change to "Model D/E".
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Re: Can this Model E really be a 1,000,000+ meter machine?

Postby gregsmith01748 » July 11th, 2013, 9:38 am

A million meters is not a lot for a model d. They are built like tanks. As long as the prior owner kept the machine clean and occaissionaly oiled the chain, it should look practically new.

Mine has a few million meters on it and the only sign it isn't new is a small dent on the fan cage from when I threw the handle in disgust after blowing a 10k time trial. :oops:

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Re: Can this Model E really be a 1,000,000+ meter machine?

Postby Myopic Squirrel » July 13th, 2013, 2:17 pm

Oar - thank you for the possible explanation. I hope that this machine has been as carefully taken care of as it looks.

Citroen - thank you for the clarifications. I was wondering the same because it is an early E model.

Greg - I have heard that about the Model D's - I hope the Model E's earn the same reputation.
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Re: Can this Model E really be a 1,000,000+ meter machine?

Postby Bob S. » July 13th, 2013, 2:57 pm

Myopic Squirrel wrote:Greg - I have heard that about the Model D's - I hope the Model E's earn the same reputation.


They are supposed to be even more rugged than the Ds, having been designed for club use which is generally much heavier than personal use. From the scuttlebutt that I have seen on the forums, this seems to be the case.

It also has the advantage over the Ds in that the seat is higher and thus easier for seniors like me to get on and off.

The main disadvantages compared to a D are that the Es are harder to move around and that they require more storage space because they cannot be separated into 2 units.

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Re: Can this Model E really be a 1,000,000+ meter machine?

Postby Citroen » July 13th, 2013, 4:21 pm

Bob S. wrote:The main disadvantages compared to a D are that the Es are harder to move around and that they require more storage space because they cannot be separated into 2 units.


Eh? Model E has the same type-2 framelock, breaks easily into two pieces http://www.concept2.com/service/indoor- ... connection
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Re: Can this Model E really be a 1,000,000+ meter machine?

Postby Bob S. » July 13th, 2013, 7:42 pm

Citroen wrote:
Bob S. wrote:The main disadvantages compared to a D are that the Es are harder to move around and that they require more storage space because they cannot be separated into 2 units.


Eh? Model E has the same type-2 framelock, breaks easily into two pieces http://www.concept2.com/service/indoor- ... connection


OOOPs. I had not seen one and somehow assumed that, since it was a different, larger frame, it was not a 2 piece unit, but all one like the dynamic which is a bear to lug around and store. Is it safe to say that the dissembled E does take up somewhat more storage than the D? The foot print of the assembled units is likely to be the same, but I doubt that it would be the case when they are separated into two parts.

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Re: Can this Model E really be a 1,000,000+ meter machine?

Postby Bob S. » July 13th, 2013, 7:51 pm

Bob S. wrote:Is it safe to say that the dissembled E does take up somewhat more storage than the D? The foot print of the assembled units is likely to be the same, but I doubt that it would be the case when they are separated into two parts.

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Well, duh, yeah. I answered my own question:

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Re: Can this Model E really be a 1,000,000+ meter machine?

Postby slnm » July 15th, 2015, 11:06 pm

At a very slow rate of 10,000 meters per hour, it only takes 100 hours of rowing to get to 1M meters. I am averaging 15k meters per day so I'm hitting 1M meters every couple of months.
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Re: Can this Model E really be a 1,000,000+ meter machine?

Postby Butch91 » July 16th, 2015, 1:47 am

Unless I missed it - did anyone mention the monitors lifetime meters are showing what the monitor has done - not the erg? I bought a model B a few months back and found a new (second hand) PM4 which I put on - it shows only the meters I have rowed on tye pm4 not the ergs

What is the retrofit you talk about? Wasn't aware model e had an frame cracking issues ? Thought they where bomb proof

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Re: Can this Model E really be a 1,000,000+ meter machine?

Postby Carl Watts » July 16th, 2015, 4:59 pm

Note the lifetime meters on the earlier PM3 and PM4 get reset to ZERO with a firmware upgrade from an older version.

Monitors can get swapped over and the odometer was not the most reliable with the early firmware so you should not rely on it 100%.

2006 is a really old version, like V82 or something and it can be updated to V108 once you go the V101 first.
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Re: Can this Model E really be a 1,000,000+ meter machine?

Postby f2d » July 18th, 2015, 12:36 pm

You shouldn't care about how many meters are on a machine.

The only thing that matters is the condition. If maintained well they last a lifetime, so the meter count is meaningless.
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Re: Can this Model E really be a 1,000,000+ meter machine?

Postby jackarabit » July 18th, 2015, 2:46 pm

It'll see you out. :mrgreen: Jack
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Re: Can this Model E really be a 1,000,000+ meter machine?

Postby Edward4492 » July 20th, 2015, 2:53 pm

I bought mine new in 2013, has over 3 million meters on it, looks spotless. You'd think it was a couple of days old. Seems to me it's more the environment. I have a part time erg servicing business and do a lot of crossfit machines. All of the chalk from the "O" lifters gets 'em filthy. Next in line are the highschool ergs, they take a beating.

These machines are complete and absolute stones. You can't kill 'em. I just serviced (26) model "C" s at a crossfit box that had never been serviced. Lots of worn seat rollers (easy fix), missing bronze handle bushings are very common ($1.25 quick fix), missing fasteners, other than that I clean 'em up and they're like new.

A million meters sounds like a lot, but it adds up quick. Knock out 5k a day (takes 20-30min) five days a week and you're at 2.5 million for the year. Other than the monitor, there's nothing expensive to fix on that machine
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