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wolverine plan, anyone?

Postby TomR » February 21st, 2018, 3:16 pm

is anyone following the wolverine plan?

used to be some folks. how about today?
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Re: wolverine plan, anyone?

Postby jamesg » February 21st, 2018, 4:10 pm

I still follow, occasionally, the L4 schemes (such as 5*2' at 18-20-22-20-18) but using Watts rather than pace, with 6 to 7 Watt ratios. This is a unique and very effective form of training that works technique as well as if not more than fitness. Time never flew faster.
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Re: wolverine plan, anyone?

Postby hjs » February 21st, 2018, 4:11 pm

TomR wrote:is anyone following the wolverine plan?

used to be some folks. how about today?


Hi Tom, zero zilch.. Lots off Pete planners, mostly beginners, don,t think most even heard the term wolverine plan....
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Re: wolverine plan, anyone?

Postby le grand fromage » February 21st, 2018, 5:49 pm

I have in the past but now similar to Jamesg, level 4's and nearer a 2k race level 1 stuff but not religious about it. Good plan though and plenty written about it
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Re: wolverine plan, anyone?

Postby JerekKruger » February 21st, 2018, 6:01 pm

I spent a little time doing L4 and L3 workouts but have never followed the full plan. I enjoyed the L4 workouts a lot, but found them to be pretty demanding at the pace I was rowing them at (I had a habit of overpowering my strokes back then). I can't imagine myself following the full plan year round given the I tend to burn out on the Pete Plan.
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Re: wolverine plan, anyone?

Postby TomR » February 21st, 2018, 7:26 pm

hjs wrote:
TomR wrote:is anyone following the wolverine plan?

used to be some folks. how about today?


Hi Tom, zero zilch.. Lots off Pete planners, mostly beginners, don,t think most even heard the term wolverine plan....

not surprising. it requires discipline. i always found the sessions a bear, even level 4 if i did them at the prescribed paces. without mike around to provide encouragement, i can see people choosing the lite version.

i'm thinking i might try to get in race shape again after a series of afflictions. the wp is probably too much. bayko told me he's using the interactive plan, but that, too, looks like a young man's game. i'll probably roll my own, doing mostly long stuff, with occasional intervals employing magnificent bursts of speed.

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Re: wolverine plan, anyone?

Postby hjs » February 22nd, 2018, 4:09 am

TomR wrote:
hjs wrote:
TomR wrote:is anyone following the wolverine plan?

used to be some folks. how about today?


Hi Tom, zero zilch.. Lots off Pete planners, mostly beginners, don,t think most even heard the term wolverine plan....

not surprising. it requires discipline. i always found the sessions a bear, even level 4 if i did them at the prescribed paces. without mike around to provide encouragement, i can see people choosing the lite version.

i'm thinking i might try to get in race shape again after a series of afflictions. the wp is probably too much. bayko told me he's using the interactive plan, but that, too, looks like a young man's game. i'll probably roll my own, doing mostly long stuff, with occasional intervals employing magnificent bursts of speed.

thanks to all who replied.


It sure does.

Maybe use a light version yourself. Keeping some speed in would be a good idea I think.
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Re: wolverine plan, anyone?

Postby TomR » February 22nd, 2018, 1:48 pm

doing speed work: that's an excellent point, henry. everything i read says you want to do speed work year-round. that's especially true as you get older, apparently. doesn't have to be a lot, but consistent.

of course, when i go fast, it's slow.
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Re: wolverine plan, anyone?

Postby jackarabit » February 25th, 2018, 7:38 am

Always a few doing L4. Did a few 4 or 6(5*2’) two yrs. ago. Got to aggregate 18spm so not an over-achiever.
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Re: wolverine plan, anyone?

Postby Mike Caviston » February 26th, 2018, 11:33 pm

JerekKruger wrote:I can't imagine myself following the full plan year round given the I tend to burn out on the Pete Plan.

There's a difference between repeating a grocery list of workouts copied from another source, and following an actual training program that considers the appropriate balance of volume and intensity as well as how to regulate increases and decreases in each to peak appropriately for competition and regenerate in the off season. I've been following the WP year-round for over thirty years and am still going strong, achieving all my competitive goals in several sports, not just rowing. People ask, "Where is the schedule of workouts? Where's the Plan?" I don't make it for you. You have to learn the rules and make it yourself.
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Re: wolverine plan, anyone?

Postby JerekKruger » February 27th, 2018, 5:50 am

Mike Caviston wrote:There's a difference between repeating a grocery list of workouts copied from another source, and following an actual training program that considers the appropriate balance of volume and intensity as well as how to regulate increases and decreases in each to peak appropriately for competition and regenerate in the off season.


Sure. I didn't say it wasn't possible, I said I couldn't imagine doing it. The fact that you've been following it for so long shows that it is possible, at least for some people.
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Re: wolverine plan, anyone?

Postby TomR » February 27th, 2018, 11:40 am

JerekKruger wrote:
Mike Caviston wrote:There's a difference between repeating a grocery list of workouts copied from another source, and following an actual training program that considers the appropriate balance of volume and intensity as well as how to regulate increases and decreases in each to peak appropriately for competition and regenerate in the off season.


Sure. I didn't say it wasn't possible, I said I couldn't imagine doing it. The fact that you've been following it for so long shows that it is possible, at least for some people.

a weekly schedule of 2 or 3 x l4 rows, 1 x l3, and 1x l2 or l1 shouldn't burn you up. (and no one said your l1 session has to be 4 x 1k. god forbid!)
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Re: wolverine plan, anyone?

Postby kcavorsi » March 2nd, 2018, 12:57 pm

I've been doing the WP for about 7 weeks now. Been on the concept 2 pretty regularly for about the past 9 months. Fooled around with the pete plan and c2 interactive plan, but wasn't quite satisfied with either. After reading and re-reading and re-reading the WP posts in the old forum pages, I came up with a plan and have really liked it so far. I'm doing 6 days a week. So far, a week consists of alternating L1 and L2, 3-4 60' L4 sessions and 1-2 L3 sessions. My pb 2k from november was 6:48, so am using ref pace of 1:42. Started the L4 sessions at 40' at 17.8 avg spm, as suggested in MC's posts gradually increased time at this pace until reached 60'. Since then have been adding 6 strokes per week, now at around 1100 strokes and 18.4spm. Find the L4 sessions hard but satisfying, really like the challenge of holding stroke rate and pace and the different feels of various pieces. For my L3's, I'm doing 1:58 pace, started at continous 14K, adding on 250 meters per week at same pace, most recent one was 15.5K at around 61 min.
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Re: wolverine plan, anyone?

Postby TomR » March 3rd, 2018, 12:47 pm

kcavorsi wrote:I've been doing the WP for about 7 weeks now. Been on the concept 2 pretty regularly for about the past 9 months. Fooled around with the pete plan and c2 interactive plan, but wasn't quite satisfied with either. After reading and re-reading and re-reading the WP posts in the old forum pages, I came up with a plan and have really liked it so far. I'm doing 6 days a week. So far, a week consists of alternating L1 and L2, 3-4 60' L4 sessions and 1-2 L3 sessions. My pb 2k from november was 6:48, so am using ref pace of 1:42. Started the L4 sessions at 40' at 17.8 avg spm, as suggested in MC's posts gradually increased time at this pace until reached 60'. Since then have been adding 6 strokes per week, now at around 1100 strokes and 18.4spm. Find the L4 sessions hard but satisfying, really like the challenge of holding stroke rate and pace and the different feels of various pieces. For my L3's, I'm doing 1:58 pace, started at continous 14K, adding on 250 meters per week at same pace, most recent one was 15.5K at around 61 min.

that's impressive.

would i be correct in thinking you are "training," not "exercising?" and are you naturally disciplined? i always used to make excuses to escape the demands of the wp. sort of, i'll row, but damned if i can bend my mind to the exactitude of an l4.
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Re: wolverine plan, anyone?

Postby sander » March 3rd, 2018, 12:54 pm

Mike Caviston wrote:
JerekKruger wrote:I can't imagine myself following the full plan year round given the I tend to burn out on the Pete Plan.

There's a difference between repeating a grocery list of workouts copied from another source, and following an actual training program that considers the appropriate balance of volume and intensity as well as how to regulate increases and decreases in each to peak appropriately for competition and regenerate in the off season. I've been following the WP year-round for over thirty years and am still going strong, achieving all my competitive goals in several sports, not just rowing. People ask, "Where is the schedule of workouts? Where's the Plan?" I don't make it for you. You have to learn the rules and make it yourself.


True words. I do like to do the L4 sessions in my plan. I also mix in some of the L1 and L2 sessions when my personal plan requires a session with that effect, but over time have created my own library of sessions, including some effective ones that are not in the Wolverine Plan.
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