lilykw wrote:My arms are down by my side, not chicken-wingy. I've found that when I pull in lower, more belly-button height, less chest, the pain only appears when I get tired toward the end of my row. I have a pretty solid grip, but try to keep my hands relaxed. I always warm up by rowing with just my legs, so I don't think that I'm pulling too soon. I think maybe too much bend was the issue. I suppose even if it isn't "proper" form, if it prevents the pain, I should stick with it?
What is the name of Volker's book?
Thanks for all the replies...
I've had a rower for 4 months and rowed about 200K.
Looking at the UK technique video http://www.concept2.co.uk/training/technique_video.php
it appears at the end of the pull the elbows are 4 to 6 inches away from the body. I also tend to try to have elbows graze body, I thought that was correct. But now will go for a more relaxed position like in the video.
I also have the golfer's elbow pain i.e. Medial Epicondylitis, the opposite side of the arm from the more common tenns elbow. Its on my right arm only and started in December or January.
I think the way I did it was at the end of the stroke I was adding a wrist flip or kick, that would give me just a little faster speed. I think I also would unroll my grip a little at the end of the recovery reaching towards the flywheel, i.e. extend my fingers. That motion would use tendon a lot. Doing that 25 times/minute for 30 to 40 minutes is a lot of activity that I never had in the past.
I don't think I've been to successful curing my problem. I still have definite pain when using a strong grip for anything. I do computer programming so I wonder if right-handed use of my arm all day on the mouse is part of continued problems.
I haven't rowed much for 6 weeks, i.e. rest. I put on some ice. When I row its for 10 to 15 minutes. I either use a weight lifting glove with a wrist wrap that prevents wrist flex, or I use wrist hooks so no grip at all. I prefer the glove. I try for a relaxed grip that does not change at all, no unrolling fingers or flipping wrist.
Your post caused me to do some searching again. Google books for "Medial Epicondylitis" turns up a lot. This seemed a good one and I retyped some of it from page 55-56 (read the original!):
http://books.google.com/books?id=LTS70c ... dial+brace
Office orthopedics for primary care By Bruce Carl Anderson
Prescribe a Velcro Wrist Splint (*I assume to reduce use of the tendon*)
Empirically prescribe NSAID (Advil) for 3 to 4 weeks, but may not concentrate significantly in this reatively avascular tendon site
Educate the patient that wrist and hand motions that agrivate the tendon
Apply ice over the epicondyle
Step 2 (3 to 4 weeks for persistent cases)
Prescribe a short-arm cast to replace the splint
Prescribe long-arm cast if supination and pronation prominently affect the pain at the elbow
Continue with ice
Step 3 (6 to 8 weeks for persistent cases)
Injection of D80
strongly advise fixed immobilization with casting for an additional 3 weeks
You can read Volker pages on elbow injuries there but I didn't find it that helpful. Except the advice for a larger diameter grip, I may try to wrap my handle to make it larger.
http://books.google.com/books?id=-wmLeD ... r#PPA36,M1
I did find several studies that mainly focused on Tennis elbow. After 1 year there was not much difference between the success rates of various approaches. I.e. having a doctor tell them to rest it (wait-and-see) worked about as well an active approach of physiotherapy or injections.
I think I'll try the "Office Orthopedics" plan, a wrist splint or cast for a few weeks to try to prevent use. Oddly I'll wake up and my elbow will be very sore, I wonder if I am clenching it in my sleep? The immobilization of the wrist may help. Plus ice more. Also try to find an Advil gel or other NSAID gel to apply topically, taking pills doesn't work well.
If that doesn't work then I should see a doctor.
Some other links:
http://www.fairview.org/healthlibrary/c ... se_sma.htm
http://www.fairview.org/healthlibrary/c ... se_rex.htm
http://www.bidmc.org/YourHealth/Conditi ... nkID=11828
http://www.crd.york.ac.uk/CRDWeb/ShowRe ... 2006000090
http://www.crd.york.ac.uk/CRDWeb/ShowRe ... 2006001601
http://www.crd.york.ac.uk/CRDWeb/ShowRe ... 2004009810