carlb wrote:I would guess it is based on this machine http://www.kayakpro.com/ which is priced almost $3k but the skier is priced a lot less to compete directly with the price of the C2. Both sites ref Grayson Bourne.
The resistance must be a lot less then the C2 the way the video appears to show him jerking the straps easily, and doing the alternating one arm. Reminds me of the Nordic track skier.
floatingbones wrote:I see what you're seeing with the alternating arms. However, the video also shows him with high force when double-poling. It is very difficult to get a feel for the machine from that one marketing video.
Any idea why the kayak ergs are so expensive?
carlb wrote:One thing they suggest on their site is buying real XC pole straps and replacing the ones they provide. I want to look into that. I feel the C2 straps on the back of my hands, they don't bother me a lot, but if there are some cushy XC straps I would try them. Or maybe there are gloves that the guys doing roller skiing use that are made to be cool in summer.
Concept2 designed the SkiErg to deliver the most effective ski exercise for the price. The hand position can be varied to simulate skate V1 (either direction), V2, or classic double pole; the SkiErg is not designed for classic diagonal, alternating arm swing. The conditioning, however, will transfer to all variations of Nordic skiing. The two-armed technique is preferred because it involves more muscles, resulting in increased aerobic demand, calorie burn, and overall higher quality workout. This technique strengthens and involves all the same muscles as single-sticking in a more efficient motion.
Our factory direct pricing philosophy ensures that customers buy direct from the manufacturer, allowing clubs and growing programs to afford the best training tools. Creating machines with separate left and right hands would require significantly more complex systems and higher costs. Our goal is to grow the sport of skiing by offering high-quality, affordable ways for athletes to train.
mrpiii wrote:I love my SkiErg but one thing the SkiFast does apparently have is the ability to add much better display and data collection. The PM4 is almost an antique in data collection and display. I use my Suunto T6c for data collection combined with FirstBeat Athlete. That dates back to 2003. There is a lot of equipment now that enables you to use an iPad, iPhone or Android device to record and display detailed data. The ErgBuddy was a decent start but it seems to have stalled.
mrpiii wrote:A major issue is us older guys with fading vision can't see the PM4 screen very well (I think the sweat pouring into my eyes doesn't help much either).
mrpiii wrote:A major issue is us older guys with fading vision can't see the PM4 screen very well
mrpiii wrote:What I do think is that Concept 2 should be improving the ability of the user to collect and analyze the data generated. I would be valuable for professional teams as well as those of us who are trying to optimize our training and perhaps provide some distraction from the pain and suffering.
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