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Marathon?? Anyone attempting it.

Postby Ponte.red » April 24th, 2016, 3:28 pm

I'm relatively new to this sport. Got a model d just before Christmas done just over 500k on it, thinking of attempting the full marathon in May. Anyone else attempting it for the first time, or done it before and have any tips?

Am I biting off more than I can chew?
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Re: Marathon?? Anyone attempting it.

Postby jackarabit » April 24th, 2016, 4:42 pm

Did my first FM April 7. Completed at least 6 HMs in the previous 2 years. Attempting to do something without adequate preparation (in this case ignoring the desirability of training an intermediate distance) and quite probably failing to finish holds no appeal for me. However, you are not me and may be able to do it cold and finish.
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Re: Marathon?? Anyone attempting it.

Postby Carl Watts » April 24th, 2016, 5:07 pm

All depends on pace. If your using the pace predictor to come up with a time based on your other PB's and you try and hit that then its REALLY REALLY hard. If you just want to sit there all day and just yank the chain now and again its a whole lot easier, anyone can do it.

Pretty much I wanted sub 3 hours from the start. Only completed the one FM, no real plans to do another !

Helps to do alot of training, if you can bash out a string of back to back daily HM then it helps. Also helps alot if you have done heaps of low rating training. Was not going to break any records but did mine at 18spm and it helped not having to fly up and down the slide as well as taking on fluids without stopping.
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Re: Marathon?? Anyone attempting it.

Postby lindsayh » April 24th, 2016, 11:29 pm

Ponte.red wrote:I'm relatively new to this sport. Got a model d just before Christmas done just over 500k on it, thinking of attempting the full marathon in May. Anyone else attempting it for the first time, or done it before and have any tips?
Am I biting off more than I can chew?


I agree with Jack. Most people who have decided to run/erg a marathon will train over shorter distances for some time before tackling it.
(personally I have avoided it completely!)
Nothing wrong with trying a FM of course but as Carl says it depends a bit on what pace you want or whether you just want to finish.
It also depends on what your general fitness is like and whether you have an endurance background.
if you want to do it "well" then you should prepare first doing one hour and HM pieces as well as some shorter ones such as 3x 5km/2'r and the like just to keep pace up and improve fitness. There are a lot of adaptions for butt/glutes and hands that training for it will help. You also need to prepare for proper hydration and the like as well as seat padding.

There are a lot of marathon discussions on the training thread here and also on the ISS site in the UK where there is a full training guide.
http://indoorsportservices.co.uk/training/guide/marathon_intro
Just search for first marathon here will give you lots of insight and info (and some diversions as well such as http://www.c2forum.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=117185)
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Re: Marathon?? Anyone attempting it.

Postby bisqeet » April 25th, 2016, 12:37 am

I do them every now and again.
I did want to do one a month, but they just are nasty.
My first was in Jan this year @2:58, now down to 2:52 - target is a FM @2:00/500m pace.

I will do one in May for the event, but a more relaxed one, I have yet to complete one without a break tho. Last one was 2 hrs @2:00 then stop and drink, stretch.

Preperation ?
I usually do 4-5 HM a week, so I'm used to long sessions, mostly at sedate paces (ut2_ 2:05_2:08- heart rate sub 135), but have been known to hit 1:20....

I would recommend not setting a target for the first just to finish. Sit and grit it through. Get up and stretch, plenty of fluids,a few media distractions; music, video etc.
As motivation you can watch the YouTube video of that gut doing a FM. @ sub 7 speed (1:45/509m)
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Re: Marathon?? Anyone attempting it.

Postby remisture » April 26th, 2016, 9:32 am

I'm hoping to get a marathon done in the next couple of months. Have done 5-6 HMs since christmas, but I guess thats a whole 'nother game. As Carl says, my problem is I want a "good" time, not just completing the piece :cry:
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Re: Marathon?? Anyone attempting it.

Postby Ponte.red » April 27th, 2016, 7:30 am

Thanks for all the response.

In terms of training, I've done 2 HMs and 4 1hr sessions, completed the HM in 1:27, but did take a lengthy break.

I think my best bet is definitely to get another 2 of them in before the attempt. I would like to set a time but I think I'd just end up grinning and bearing it through to the end.

Biggest problem I seem to have is the pains and numbness in my backside and my legs rather than tiredness. So if anyone has any tips stop/reduce that please let me know. Or is it more of a, the more you do the less it happens??

Thanks again
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Re: Marathon?? Anyone attempting it.

Postby Dickie » April 27th, 2016, 3:24 pm

I did my first in march of 2000 my time was 3:28:29 and included 26 minutes of rest. I did several shorter pieces (5 to 7k) with 2 to 5 minute rest periods to stand and stretch, drink etc. I had trouble walking for several days and swore I would never do it again, I haven't. I did a 1/2 marathon this morning that is more than enough.

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Re: Marathon?? Anyone attempting it.

Postby mmayzak » April 27th, 2016, 9:39 pm

For me the FM is a mental exercise...the last hour is really hard, but manageable.

Hydrate and keep some honey close.

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Re: Marathon?? Anyone attempting it.

Postby jackarabit » April 27th, 2016, 10:24 pm

I got by with 4-6 minutes of rest split between two stops-- one at 22k in and one at 32k. 2' is enuf to grab a bottle and a banana and--the thing that works for me--lying on floor with feet elevated for a minute to 1:30. Also wet the whistle one-handed at about 18k. Impact of that maneuver on pace is negligible as is the case of a runner drinking en route or a bikie slowing for a feed zone.
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Re: Marathon?? Anyone attempting it.

Postby hjs » April 28th, 2016, 4:26 am

remisture wrote:I'm hoping to get a marathon done in the next couple of months. Have done 5-6 HMs since christmas, but I guess thats a whole 'nother game. As Carl says, my problem is I want a "good" time, not just completing the piece :cry:


Thats not a problem, thats the right attitude. Anyone a bit fit can do a fm right away, if breaks are allowed, but to me that has nothing to do with really doing a fm. That would be, going for a personal good time, say hm plys 5 seconds. And ofcourse WITHOUT breaks. Break make it an interval session.
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Re: Marathon?? Anyone attempting it.

Postby jackarabit » April 28th, 2016, 1:34 pm

My times for current best HM and FM compared to the ISS projected times from current 5k pace supports Henry's view of breaks. I took no breaks on my last HM of 2/25/2016 and finished 2'+ below projected (1:41:09.3 actual/1:43.22.5 projected). I took roughly 4-6' of breaks on FM of 4/7/16 and finished 2'+ over projected (3:41:54.8 actual/3:39:24.8 projected).

Agree with Lindsay on the value of the Marathon-specific training at Indoor Sports UK. Certainly more valuable than tips on seat pads and hydration formulas if you want to do FM at HM+5"!!! Mine @ HM+13.7" which supports the contention of some that I have nothing to live for and my contention that I do. :lol:
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Re: Marathon?? Anyone attempting it.

Postby hjs » April 28th, 2016, 1:56 pm

jackarabit wrote:My times for current best HM and FM compared to the ISS projected times from current 5k pace supports Henry's view of breaks. I took no breaks on my last HM of 2/25/2016 and finished 2'+ below projected (1:41:09.3 actual/1:43.22.5 projected). I took roughly 4-6' of breaks on FM of 4/7/16 and finished 2'+ over projected (3:41:54.8 actual/3:39:24.8 projected).

Agree with Lindsay on the value of the Marathon-specific training at Indoor Sports UK. Certainly more valuable than tips on seat pads and hydration formulas if you want to do FM at HM+5"!!!


Its only my view Jack, the reason I never did a fm and only a few HM, the training I should do to complete a marathon should interfere a lot with my way of working out. Just paddling the meters would give me zero pleasure. I think doing a 4x10k with 1 min rest inbetween would be pretty doable.
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Re: Marathon?? Anyone attempting it.

Postby jackarabit » April 28th, 2016, 2:19 pm

I agree Henry. Every one of us should set a standard of performance for him/her self. ISS states that 50% of 2k watts should be within the capacity of the large majority of ergers with not a great deal of aggro. I agree as my 89W average is a bit less than 50% of my 182W 2k and I survived with no ill effects. I didn't choose a specific pace but I did choose to do a UT2 FM, an intelligent and rewarding decision in my case. Would I like to do a FM at 60-65% of 2k watts? Yes I would like to have done it but likely wouldn't like doing it!
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Postby hjs » April 28th, 2016, 2:36 pm

jackarabit wrote:I agree Henry. Every one of us should set a standard of performance for him/her self. ISS states that 50% of 2k watts should be within the capacity of the large majority of ergers with not a great deal of aggro. I agree as my 89W average is a bit less than 50% of my 182W 2k and I survived with no ill effects. I didn't choose a specific pace but I did choose to do a UT2 FM, an intelligent and rewarding decision in my case. Would I like to do a FM at 60-65% of 2k watts? Yes I would like to have done it but likely wouldn't like doing it!


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