CRASH-Bs '17 65+HWTs

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Re: CRASH-Bs '17 65+HWTs

Postby hjs » February 15th, 2017, 5:47 am

jackarabit wrote:This vid of 65-9HWT is mostly Jack until 5:50 in, at which time my wife sensed the roar of the greasepaint and smell of the crowd and panned to Cooper/Hay/Kurmakov for roughly 1:45. Jean had a serendipitous pov just fwd of their beam which clearly captures the windup and sprint. [Jack carries on for a couple more leisurely minutes but get a load of the Andy Benko no thumbs grip and the water bottle "clean" afterwards!] B)

https://youtu.be/-D4Os2Q8FZQ


Nice footage Jack, looks very related, no doubt it feels differently. Look at your arms, very bend, same a bit for Lindsay
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Re: CRASH-Bs '17 65+HWTs

Postby Citroen » February 15th, 2017, 5:50 am

Looks like Lindsay (ergo#78) needs to stop rollercoastering his handle over his knees and he'll go faster.
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Re: CRASH-Bs '17 65+HWTs

Postby Cyclingman1 » February 15th, 2017, 7:04 am

Citroen wrote:Looks like Lindsay (ergo#78) needs to stop rollercoastering his handle over his knees and he'll go faster.


Actually, it is the guy in the foreground, Chris Cooper, who goes up and over the knees. He's also the WR holder. So much for perfect form.
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Re: CRASH-Bs '17 65+HWTs

Postby hjs » February 15th, 2017, 7:51 am

Cyclingman1 wrote:
Citroen wrote:Looks like Lindsay (ergo#78) needs to stop rollercoastering his handle over his knees and he'll go faster.


Actually, it is the guy in the foreground, Chris Cooper, who goes up and over the knees. He's also the WR holder. So much for perfect form.


Its not pretty, but still pretty effective, also the last 500, often not the best part technique wise.
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Re: CRASH-Bs '17 65+HWTs

Postby jackarabit » February 15th, 2017, 8:16 am

Citroen wrote:Looks like Lindsay (ergo#78) needs to stop rollercoastering his handle over his knees and he'll go faster.


Tongue get out in front of eye-tooth there, sport? Chris does indeed pop his knees up first thing for a hamstring-powered 1:1 drive:recovery in the endsprint. I would say Chris organizes his sprint around his very strong back; Lindsay a bit more orthodox with a hinge fwd recovery.

Henry, I can't straiten my left arm completely after ulnar nerve fix in early '16. Maybe the headon camera perspective also contributes to the dogleg appearance. Gotta work with what you got til you can't.
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Re: CRASH-Bs '17 65+HWTs

Postby lindsayh » February 15th, 2017, 9:18 am

jackarabit wrote:This vid of 65-9HWT is mostly Jack until 5:50 in, at which time my wife sensed the roar of the greasepaint and smell of the crowd and panned to Cooper/Hay/Kurmakov for roughly 1:45. Jean had a serendipitous pov just fwd of their beam which clearly captures the windup and sprint. [Jack carries on for a couple more lleisurely minutes but get a load of the Andy Benko no thumbs grip and the water bottle "clean" afterwards!]


That is great jack thanks indeed - I am sorry I missed saying hi to Jean as we. It is not pretty for anyone at the backend of the race I guess.
Dougie that is Chris with the hands over the knees and he does that all the time not just in the sprint. That is me with the head band in background. Let the analysis begin (tho it already has!)
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Re: CRASH-Bs '17 65+HWTs

Postby Bloodbuzz Corio » February 15th, 2017, 9:49 am

Jack thanks to you (and Jean) for posting the video - great to see footage of both yourself and Lindsay!

For all of the talk of Chris' technique he certainly had very consistent pacing over the course of the race - barely a stroke outside the 1:38-1:42 range. http://www.concept2.com/indoor-rowers/racing/world-irc/2017/analysis/Chris/Cooper/14/-/103013
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Re: CRASH-Bs '17 65+HWTs

Postby G-dub » February 15th, 2017, 10:07 am

Awesome video. Jack - you look good and smooth! I appreciate that the arms don't lock out naturally (or appear to lock out) for some. It would seem that being relaxed and comfortable would be more or as important, which you are. You don't snatch it early anyway. The look on your face before the start is exactly how mine feels - sort of "oh boy, no turning back now -what the hell did I sign up for!". Nice concentration when that young lady was talking in your ear! I might have lost it. Nice going and congratulations.

These videos are a hoot. It is proof that we aren't getting any younger and puts into glaring perspective that a big pat on the back is well earned for anyone that does this stuff full on (or even half on)! When we only have the written words of the forum and our imaginations to go by none are grey, everyone has chiseled, hairless bodies and all have perfect technique :D
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Re: CRASH-Bs '17 65+HWTs

Postby ccooper » February 15th, 2017, 11:11 am

Cyclingman1 wrote:Actually, it is the guy in the foreground, Chris Cooper, who goes up and over the knees. He's also the WR holder. So much for perfect form.

Yes, I do tend to go up and over the knees. I've tried changing it, but at the end of a race revert to old habits. Honestly, though, I don't understand why it is a problem. Clearly it's not good for OTW, but if you only do erg, it seems to me like it might even be an advantage. My goal is to reduce the amount of deceleration that I must do at the catch, so if I can get my body mass moving forward a little earlier, what's the problem?

In a race, I also have a much shorter stroke than when I am rowing at a rate of 30 or below. I prefer to rate around 35, though I think this race was closer to 34, and at that rate just don't have the time for a long stroke. With some training, that could probably be corrected. In my mind's eye, Jim, my stroke looks pretty similar to yours as I saw in the recent video that was posted. But the reality that I see in this race is different than what I pictured.

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Re: CRASH-Bs '17 65+HWTs

Postby Cyclingman1 » February 15th, 2017, 11:19 am

Yes, I do tend to go over knees on the way back up the slide. And for the same reason. I want to get started back up the slide and that is by definition when the knees are all the way back. The hands and back will take care of themselves. What matters is where everything is at the catch on an erg.
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Re: CRASH-Bs '17 65+HWTs

Postby jackarabit » February 15th, 2017, 11:22 am

Thanks for the tickle, Glenn. A fair portrait of life in the laughing pack just clear of the broom wagon. Chiseled ectomorph I ain't! By way of explanation for my apparent nerves, frowning, lung-loading at the beginning of vid, 65-9 heavies had a false start courtesy ergo #66. So we all had to push the mental reset.

I asked my cox to wake me up at about 180m out. Shaming always works for me! :lol: I did not max this run because bronchitis/allergies conveniently appeared the previous day in transit. :|. I knew going in I would have to find a sustainable pace and stay on it and I did so some small progress in the self control dept.
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Re: CRASH-Bs '17 65+HWTs

Postby hjs » February 15th, 2017, 11:50 am

jackarabit wrote:
Citroen wrote:Looks like Lindsay (ergo#78) needs to stop rollercoastering his handle over his knees and he'll go faster.


Tongue get out in front of eye-tooth there, sport? Chris does indeed pop his knees up first thing for a hamstring-powered 1:1 drive:recovery in the endsprint. I would say Chris organizes his sprint around his very strong back; Lindsay a bit more orthodox with a hinge fwd recovery.

Henry, I can't straiten my left arm completely after ulnar nerve fix in early '16. Maybe the headon camera perspective also contributes to the dogleg appearance. Gotta work with what you got til you can't.


Ofcourse Jack, its just very obvious, it could give a longer stroke with a bit of wipe effect, Lindsay does the same a bit, shortening the arms first.
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Re: CRASH-Bs '17 65+HWTs

Postby mdpfirrman » February 16th, 2017, 3:10 pm

jackarabit wrote:Thanks for the tickle, Glenn. A fair portrait of life in the laughing pack just clear of the broom wagon. Chiseled ectomorph I ain't! By way of explanation for my apparent nerves, frowning, lung-loading at the beginning of vid, 65-9 heavies had a false start courtesy ergo #66. So we all had to push the mental reset.

I asked my cox to wake me up at about 180m out. Shaming always works for me! :lol: I did not max this run because bronchitis/allergies conveniently appeared the previous day in transit. :|. I knew going in I would have to find a sustainable pace and stay on it and I did so some small progress in the self control dept.


I was just ecstatic for you that you got to race at such a great venue. Kudos to all of you. Chris and Lindsay - remarkable! That's some power.
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Re: CRASH-Bs '17 65+HWTs

Postby ivan141 » February 17th, 2017, 3:54 am

Cool video, hats off to everyone participating. Wish I'll still have the will and power to do that by the time I hit 65, although I'm silently hoping I wont
be crazy enough :D.
As far as technique goes, I'm astounded at the winning technique here. To me all that business with the hand heights looks like wasted energy, but then
that's something he's not in short supply of. Lindsay is looking a lot better, just opening with the back a bit early. You'd still beat me over 2k though, and
I'm thirty years younger :oops: .
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Re: CRASH-Bs '17 65+HWTs

Postby jackarabit » February 17th, 2017, 12:39 pm

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