Cross Team Challenge - Discussion Thread

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Re: Cross Team Challenge - the alternative home

Postby lindsayh » July 26th, 2016, 6:23 pm

jackarabit wrote:
While the distance rowed is 1km, the time registered is the equivalent of the 2km of your dreams. That is, four pace splits taken from the sprints and added as if you could have gone on to row 500 metres at the same speed.

Should call this one the Fantasy Matters Challenge. Henry, I can do addition, in this case adding four paces that sum to bullsh7t! :roll: ++++ Pathetic example of factitious special pleading. :(


To me part of the special "charm" of the CTC is that it gets a bit weird at times and if we don't like this month so much then next time will be better. Some of the sub7 choices (and others) have been a bit out there at times and there have been complicated ones before. I am sure we can all work it out once we are doing it. The whole point of it is that a team gets to choose and we just suck it up and do it if we feel like it. (The numbers are down a bit this month FWIW - maybe summer but maybe not so many keen)
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Re: Cross Team Challenge - the alternative home

Postby jackarabit » July 26th, 2016, 6:40 pm

Quite right, Lindsay. You know I'm only indulging the oppo's desire for a bit of pre-challenge fun and games.B) Put em on the back foot, make em pay for the naughtiness and on 1August, fill the boats!
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Re: Cross Team Challenge - the alternative home

Postby Tinpusher » July 26th, 2016, 9:35 pm

I'm in the middle of Marathon training so this is as far away from suitable training as could be but I'll still do it, probably all on the same day, 4321 fashion with a paddle in between. I've done every CTC since June 2006.
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Re: Cross Team Challenge - the alternative home

Postby hjs » July 27th, 2016, 3:29 am

jackarabit wrote:
While the distance rowed is 1km, the time registered is the equivalent of the 2km of your dreams. That is, four pace splits taken from the sprints and added as if you could have gone on to row 500 metres at the same speed.


Should call this one the Fantasy Matters Challenge. Henry, I can do addition, in this case adding four paces that sum to bullsh7t! :roll: ++++ Pathetic example of factitious special pleading. :(


True, but so what. Its certainly not bullshit to me. This is exactly how speedskating works, one of my favourite sports :P

The 2k end result is indeed strange, but to give every distance 25% worth a real distance can,t work.

In the decathlon, the 1500 is not worth 15x the 100 meter. Same principle.
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Re: Cross Team Challenge - the alternative home

Postby lindsayh » July 27th, 2016, 7:24 am

I'm just hoping Dirk and Shawn give it a red hot go - should be a lot of fun.
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Re: Cross Team Challenge - the alternative home

Postby jackarabit » July 27th, 2016, 2:52 pm

In the decathlon, the 1500 is not worth 15x the 100 meter. Same principle.


Event parity in the combined I understand. No problem except that the CTC participants must score themselves In a multi-event challenge without being able to assign ordinal placement for each event. If it were desired to avoid the appearance of Orwellian mischief, the pace to time fiddle might be more aptly termed an arbitrary score. No doubt the defense of this score-massaging process will become more polished in future. :D
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Re: Cross Team Challenge - the alternative home

Postby hjs » July 27th, 2016, 3:32 pm

jackarabit wrote:
In the decathlon, the 1500 is not worth 15x the 100 meter. Same principle.


Event parity in the combined I understand. No problem except that the CTC participants must score themselves In a multi-event challenge without being able to assign ordinal placement for each event. If it were desired to avoid the appearance of Orwellian mischief, the pace to time fiddle might be more aptly termed an arbitrary score. No doubt the defense of this score-massaging process will become more polished in future. :D


I had to read it twice and still am not sure if I fully understand. You main concern is the 2k conversion? In both track and skating the result is transformed to points, although in skating the relation with speed is direct. In track ofcourse impossible with all the very different events.
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Re: Cross Team Challenge - the alternative home

Postby jackarabit » July 27th, 2016, 7:15 pm

Heard of Eric Heiden, Connie Carpenter, know nothing of speed skating scoring. Yes, preferable to call sum of four paces a score rather than a "time." The 2k nonsense is like a cheap party favor--entertaining for all of 5".
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Re: Cross Team Challenge - the alternative home

Postby hjs » July 28th, 2016, 2:31 am

jackarabit wrote:Heard of Eric Heiden, Connie Carpenter, know nothing of speed skating scoring. Yes, preferable to call sum of four paces a score rather than a "time." The 2k nonsense is like a cheap party favor--entertaining for all of 5".


Google is not stopping you to find out :wink: you are stuck in the 70 ies. Heiden is godlike unhuman in the skating world
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Re: Cross Team Challenge - the alternative home

Postby e-Clair » July 28th, 2016, 3:33 am

Am I right in assuming I can just peel the four split times off the PM, then add them up? Rather than using a calculator.
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Re: Cross Team Challenge - the alternative home

Postby hjs » July 28th, 2016, 3:54 am

e-Clair wrote:Am I right in assuming I can just peel the four split times off the PM, then add them up? Rather than using a calculator.


Yep, thats all you need. Ad the 4 500 splits up and you have you ctc result.
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Re: Cross Team Challenge - the alternative home

Postby left coaster » July 29th, 2016, 3:44 am

chuckle... it's possible I will actually get past the 5th ForumFlyers boat with this challenge

Weird is good in my books :lol:
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Re: Cross Team Challenge - the alternative home

Postby CaseyClarke » August 1st, 2016, 5:00 pm

Hi Dougie,

It seems we already have the confusion I predicted on the FB site. We were all led to believe this challenge had to be done as four standalone pieces, and that doing it as a set of intervals (and gaining the advantages of rolling starts) would not be allowed. Your wording on the CTC site doesn't explicitly state it has to be from standing and that intervals aren't allowed, and so some people have already completed the challenge as intervals. I raised the issue in the group with some people not thinking it much of an issue, and others wanting some clarity.

What is the Sprint Groups ruling on this? And can the wording be made crystal clear to avoid any differing interpretations of how to set the session up?
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Re: Cross Team Challenge - the alternative home

Postby left coaster » August 1st, 2016, 5:47 pm

So long as everyone has the same instructions... if rolling starts are allowed it should be stated on the C2C site. Some of the heavies are going to record unbelievably fast times if rolling starts are allowed... could be interesting!

I've never tried a rolling start 100m PB -- feeling sort of motivated to give it a go, but will wait for clarification on the instructions.
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Re: Cross Team Challenge - the alternative home

Postby joe80 » August 1st, 2016, 6:02 pm

The Sprint Group are new to the CTC and have no knowledge of previous discussions about rolling/standing starts. That's why I added the stipulation about standing starts to my interpretation of the CTC around a week ago. There was no dispute about that so IT'S STANDING STARTS ONLY.

If anybody who is strapped for time and wants to complete the CTC as a single session chooses to do this as intervals, that's within the spirit of the competition since its inception. Nobody will gain an advantage from rowing these sprints in one session provided that each is done from a STANDING START. That means, no rowing between one sprint and the next so that the flywheel has zero or minimal motion.

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