John Rupp wrote:Tincup,
The problem with those who focus on disease to give advice is that they are then creating more sickness and disease. The medical profession are experts in disease, and can name thousands of diseases that no one has ever heard of before. In fact they can create diseases out of thin air. And when healthy people go to them, then they can create many sicknesses and diseases for them too. Because that is their focus.
But they know nothing about health, fitness or longevity. Because of the focus on disease, they are not able to help people to be healthy, and they don't talk about cures for any disease. Rather they are admonished to not mention the possibility of any cure or remedy for any disease, and get angry if someone else talks about that or is cured by some alternative methods to theirs. This all seems very strange but makes perfect sense really, as their focus is disease and not cures.
Now if you want to take their advice that is certainly up to you. We all have free will to make our own choices, and you are welcome to do that. Being 25kg overweight is not so good though, did you get that from taking their advice before? Did the 8 sec for 20 minutes work for you then? If so then why are you still 25kg overweight and unhealthy. Just curious. Maybe I can learn something here. Anyway variety is what makes the world go round, yes? It's all an experiment and a learning experience. Hopefully we can enjoy the journey and all will come out for the best.
I don't want to get bogged down with blather about the medical and nutrtition professions, so I'll just comment on my experience with the 8/12 cycling routine, which I applied after reading the report/study.
This is a routine that applies to everyone whether physically in shape or not; here's why I think this: When sprinting for 8 seconds it is perceived effort; in other words, a fat person out of shape would not "sprint" as fast as a fit person; the 12 seconds speaks for itself.
The point of this routine is that it burns calories twice as fast as just cycling at a constant pace. Of course! Sprinting burns more calories than non-sprinting. 40% of the time the cyclist is sprinting, and 60% of the time she is cycling at a slower pace, which means that 60% of the time she is in a fat burning mode and 40% of the time she is burning glycogen; it is just interval training with some observed results that are interesting for those with limited time who want to maximize that time vis-a-vis burning calories.
Mathematically, it makes sense, and since people differ the actual number of calories burned by any given person when compared with others in better or worse physical condition will differ.
Getting side-tracked on which is better, a slow pace for a long time versus a fast pace for a short time, misses the point of this study and the reason for using the 8/12 program, in my opinion. It is something a person can do in addition to what she is already doing, or something to replace.
As for attacking someone's argument by attacking the person, well, we all know this is cowardly and illogical. The point of these forums is to help others not attack or ridicule them simply because our pet theories differ.
Bottomline: the 8/12 program is worth trying if time is limited. The 8/12 program has nothing to do with diatribes against doctors. I suggest that Dr. J. Fuhrman, Dr. J. McDougall, Dr. Campbell, and others, are exceptions to the generalized rule argued by Mr. Rupp; so his generalizations add nothing to rational discussion.
But what do I know? I'm just a lawyer who wonders why some people on this forum are not sued for libel.