World Records In 6k Race

[old] tomhz · Post by **[old] tomhz** » January 23rd, 2005, 3:07 pm

3 world records on the 6K Ergohead in Amsterdam this weekend: <br /><br />Akos Haller (Men HW Open) : 18:48,5 <br />Mads Rasmussen (Men LW Open) : 19:43,3 <br />Juliane Elander (Women LW Open): 22:20,7 <br /><br />Complete results <a href='http://www.amstelroei.nl/ergohead/inhou ... g_2005.csv' target='_blank'>here</a>.<br /><br /><br />Tom

[old] Rocket Roy · Post by **[old] Rocket Roy** » January 23rd, 2005, 4:25 pm

Wow, 6k at 1.34 Terrific effort as they all are

[old] Sir Pirate · Post by **[old] Sir Pirate** » January 23rd, 2005, 4:27 pm

That's 5K at 15:40 then another 1000m on top of that!! Amazing piece of erging.<br /><br />Sir Pirate

[old] Physicist · Post by **[old] Physicist** » January 23rd, 2005, 4:38 pm

Very impressive indeed. But do world records exist for this distance? It's certainly not the fastest ever, I've personally seen 6k done faster than that.

[old] tomhz · Post by **[old] tomhz** » January 23rd, 2005, 5:42 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Physicist @ Jan 23 2005, 08:38 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Very impressive indeed. But do world records exist for this distance? It's certainly not the fastest ever, I've personally seen 6k done faster than that. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />I suppose you are right. The "world records" are claimed by the people that organised the event. <br /><br />Tom

[old] chickenlegs · Post by **[old] chickenlegs** » January 23rd, 2005, 5:43 pm

6 km at 1:34 average is an amazing time, but no world record.<br /><br />i know of two nationals who went head to head on a 20' test just before the '96 olympics and finished at an average pace of 1:32 and 1:33.<br /><br />

[old] Ralph Earle · Post by **[old] Ralph Earle** » January 24th, 2005, 3:19 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>i know of two nationals who went head to head on a 20' test just before the '96 olympics and finished at an average pace of 1:32 and 1:33. </td></tr></table><br /><br />What is it about rowers/ergers that makes them believe that in their sport -- and their sport alone -- whenever you happen to pull off a great time, it can count as a "World Record"? When did the IAAF grant you that exception? <br /><br />Or haven't you heard about Dwayne Adams' non-WR?

[old] chickenlegs · Post by **[old] chickenlegs** » January 24th, 2005, 3:44 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Ralph Earle @ Jan 24 2005, 02:19 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>i know of two nationals who went head to head on a 20' test just before the '96 olympics and finished at an average pace of 1:32 and 1:33. </td></tr></table><br /><br />What is it about rowers/ergers that makes them believe that in their sport -- and their sport alone -- whenever you happen to pull off a great time, it can count as a "World Record"? When did the IAAF grant you that exception? <br /><br />Or haven't you heard about Dwayne Adams' non-WR? <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />maybe i am not understanding you, or maybe you are not understanding me, or possibly both.<br /><br />i did not start this thread claiming any world record.<br />the (claimed) world records were set in amsterdam by haller, rasmussen and elander and reported by tomhz.<br /><br />my reply was that, since i know of at least 2 faster times than the one set by haller, haller's is not a world record.<br /><br />i did not state anywhere that the 2 times i know of, or rather the faster of the 2 (1:32 for 20') is a world record.<br />the athlete who set it never claimed it either, as far as i know.<br /><br />don't tell anyone else here, but i doubt the IAAF cares much about this indoor rowing stuff..<br /> <br /><br />

[old] Physicist · Post by **[old] Physicist** » January 24th, 2005, 5:22 am

Ralph,<br /><br />don't think anyone claimed what you're saying - why deliberately misinterpret what was said?<br /><br />But when an event is so unsupported at 'official' competitions that two random members of this message board have seen the world record bettered, then I think you have to question the value of the record. The 100m running WR has validity because everyone who has a chance of competing at that level does so, in competitions at which the record can be set. The 2k record on the erg has similar validity (though only because C2 wisely sanction national team trials.) The 6k record has no such validity.

[old] Canoeist · Post by **[old] Canoeist** » January 24th, 2005, 9:54 am

World record are an interesting thing to strive for. One can either try to be the best in the world at a standard event, or one can do as many in the "Guiness Book of World Record" have done by doing an event that is so different that there is little or no competition.<br /><br />Last year at NE2KC, Deb Grinell, Rick Bayko, and I tried the latter as we rowed the fastest time ever in a mixed, mixed indoor triple 500m. (mixed weights and genders on a three person vertual row) Unfortunately, we didn't have an offical from Guiness to witness the event for the record books.<br /><br />Cheers,<br /><br />Paul Flack

[old] Anders Brabaek · Post by **[old] Anders Brabaek** » January 24th, 2005, 2:23 pm

World records, well, Mads Rasmussen did the 6K in 19:29 a few weeks back. (Eskild have done 19:20 and consistently around 19:30). This isn't a PB for Juliane either. By the way, both Mads Rasmussen (in 6:08) and Juliane Elander won the open LWT at the Danish Nationals this Saturday - they then went straight to the airport

<br /><br />Until Concept2 does something more seriously about it we will not really know what the world records are for anything else than 2K.<br /><br />Cheers,<br />Anders

[old] PaulS · Post by **[old] PaulS** » January 24th, 2005, 2:31 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Canoeist @ Jan 24 2005, 05:54 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Last year at NE2KC, Deb Grinell, Rick Bayko, and I tried the latter as we rowed the fastest time ever in a mixed, mixed indoor triple 500m. (mixed weights and genders on a three person vertual row) Unfortunately, we didn't have an offical from Guiness to witness the event for the record books. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />So what is the MxMx3x 1500m Record?

[old] Bayko · Post by **[old] Bayko** » January 24th, 2005, 3:28 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(PaulS @ Jan 24 2005, 06:31 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>So what is the MxMx3x 1500m Record? <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br /><br />I checked the archives and found that I had posted a time for the triple of 1:37.1. That was arrived at by taking the three individual times from the. PM2s and dividing by three. While I don't have the individual times handy at the moment, being the packrat that I am they are surely somewhere in the shop under a pile of detritus. Also, either my memory is horrible or Deb looked remarkably like Frank Knight to me. Maybe that's why I've never scored well with the Babes, including my desperate wives. <br /><br />Rick

[old] Canoeist · Post by **[old] Canoeist** » January 25th, 2005, 1:04 pm

No wonder we aren't in the record books for the M x M x 3X 1500. Deb failed her drug test! (Or was disqualified for refusing to take the test.) Was it the faster than expected time or was it the full beard and mustache that tipped off the race officials?<br /><br />Cheers,<br /><br />Paul Flack

[old] Ralph Earle · Post by **[old] Ralph Earle** » January 26th, 2005, 4:28 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Physicist @ Jan 24 2005, 09:22 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>But when an event is so unsupported at 'official' competitions that two random members of this message board have seen the world record bettered, then I think you have to question the value of the record. </td></tr></table><br /><br />Under what rule of logic do you hold these statements to be consistent?<br /><br />Statement #1: "Although witnessed by a Concept2 official, Dwayne Adams' 2K erg time of 5:47.1 is NOT a world record for the 40-49 heavyweight men's group, because it was not done in a Concept2-sanctioned event."<br /><br />Statement #2: "Although done in a Concept2-sanctioned event, Akos Haller's 6K erg time of 18:48.5 is NOT a world record for the event, because someone claims to have witnessed two anonymous individuals go faster in 1996 in a team trial."<br /><br /><br />Of course, if erging is not a true sport, but merely a passtime or <i>fitness apparratus du jour </i>, then logical consistency is easily attained: <br /><br />Statement #3: "Any Concept2-sanctioned race result is eligible for world-record designation, unless someone claims to have seen a faster time -- or is pretty sure s/he <i>would</i> see a faster time somewhere ... sometime ... , if only Famous So-and-So would just attempt it ... . (Can anybody help me here? Surely somebody must have gone faster than this, haven't they? Or if they haven't, they could, if they wanted to, right?)"

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