Power meter for rowing machine??

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Re: Power meter for rowing machine??

Post by Ombrax » January 13th, 2021, 5:11 pm

How ironic that a C2 erg, which provides the user essentially all the information he or she could desire, is being asked to compensate for the inadequacies of a competing device that is not able to do that.

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Re: Power meter for rowing machine??

Post by jamesg » January 14th, 2021, 2:39 am

Athlete's power output at the level of handlebar so that bypassing any unmeasured energy losses in the system.
Then what?

Rowing is done by finding how to match the changing force/speed combinations that appear during the successive phases of the stroke (aka impedance), and the easily calculated inertial losses are controllable via rating. You won't see any of this by instrumenting the handle, only the heat generated in the tranmission, which will be too small to separate from noise.
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Re: Power meter for rowing machine??

Post by mict450 » January 14th, 2021, 4:31 am

seneka21 wrote:
January 13th, 2021, 8:37 am

I use a Waterrower Club S4...
There is an Android app called Smart row that claims to transform the water rower into a lab grade ergometer, with the Smart row conversion.

I don't use a Water rower & so can't personally vouch for this conversion, but looking at the graphics, the power curve screen is much more detailed than the PM5, similar to the RP3 software.

Hope this info will be helpful.
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Re: Power meter for rowing machine??

Post by seneka21 » January 14th, 2021, 5:11 am

mict450 wrote:
January 14th, 2021, 4:31 am
seneka21 wrote:
January 13th, 2021, 8:37 am

I use a Waterrower Club S4...
There is an Android app called Smart row that claims to transform the water rower into a lab grade ergometer, with the Smart row conversion.

I don't use a Water rower & so can't personally vouch for this conversion, but looking at the graphics, the power curve screen is much more detailed than the PM5, similar to the RP3 software.

Hope this info will be helpful.
I suppose you are talking about this: https://smartrow.fit/#/ .
To be honest this was the reason I have stared searching about a "universally" compatible power meter. :-)

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Re: Power meter for rowing machine??

Post by seneka21 » January 14th, 2021, 5:17 am

jamesg wrote:
January 14th, 2021, 2:39 am
Athlete's power output at the level of handlebar so that bypassing any unmeasured energy losses in the system.
Then what?

Rowing is done by finding how to match the changing force/speed combinations that appear during the successive phases of the stroke (aka impedance), and the easily calculated inertial losses are controllable via rating. You won't see any of this by instrumenting the handle, only the heat generated in the tranmission, which will be too small to separate from noise.
I have started thinking about power meter at the level of handlebar after had come across this study https://analytics.rowsandall.com/2017/0 ... ndall-com/

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Re: Power meter for rowing machine??

Post by Citroen » January 14th, 2021, 6:28 am

Can I remind folks that on this forum that's owned and managed by Concept2 you are NOT ALLOWED to discuss Brand-X products from other ergo manufacturers.

Take your discussion to Row2K (or the forum owned by Brand-X).

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Re: Power meter for rowing machine??

Post by Tsnor » January 14th, 2021, 10:22 am

Citroen wrote:
January 14th, 2021, 6:28 am
Can I remind folks that on this forum...
Citroen, appreciate your forbearance here. You see appends instantly. You likely considered shutting this down a few time, but waited and let things flow. That says a lot about Concept2 as a company, and they are all positive. Well done.

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Re: Power meter for rowing machine??

Post by Citroen » January 14th, 2021, 11:13 am

Tsnor wrote:
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That says a lot about Concept2 as a company, and they are all positive. Well done.
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Re: Power meter for rowing machine??

Post by Tsnor » January 14th, 2021, 12:32 pm

Citroen wrote:
January 14th, 2021, 11:13 am
Tsnor wrote:
January 14th, 2021, 10:22 am
That says a lot about Concept2 as a company, and they are all positive. Well done.
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Re: Power meter for rowing machine??

Post by GreenStratMan » January 14th, 2021, 1:40 pm

I’m just wondering when the goats might arrive, rickety bridge and all that ;o)
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Re: Power meter for rowing machine??

Post by Citroen » January 14th, 2021, 2:44 pm

GreenStratMan wrote:
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I’m just wondering when the goats might arrive, rickety bridge and all that ;o)
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Re: Power meter for rowing machine??

Post by seneka21 » January 14th, 2021, 7:02 pm

I am so grateful for your time and efforts to provide me with any information about my query. In any case it looks like that there is no such thing as a widely compatible kind of power meter attachment for rowing machines. I would like thank you once more for your consideration. Have a nice day 🙂

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