Us Indoor Rowing Team Selection

[[old] ranger]

<!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Anyway, I hope to be in Boston in February, If you are there Ranger, I would like to meet you </td></tr></table><br /><br />Nice to hear you'll be in Boston, Fred. Yes, I'll been there. I'll look for you. Sounds like you are hard to miss!<br /><br />See you there.<br /><br />ranger

[[old] ranger]

<!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->No, I got it right </td></tr></table><br /><br />Mike--<br /><br />Hilarious stuff. <br /><br />Yes, you can really deal it out, dude. <br /><br />That's o.k., it's harmless, given the source!<br /><br /> <br /><br />Don't worry. No one will say a peep back to you. We all understand that we should only listen when you talk.<br /><br /> <br /><br />The GREEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT Puba.<br /><br />BTW, can I carry your towel for you? It would be an honor.<br /><br /> <br /><br />ranger

[[old] PaulS]

Ranger,<br /><br /><!--QuoteBegin-ranger+Nov 23 2005, 06:59 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(ranger @ Nov 23 2005, 06:59 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><br />Sounds like you are still pissed-off and nay-saying.<br /><br />Oh well. I guess it's hard to change.<br /><br />To each his own.<br /><br />ranger <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />You are proving your own point, but not about anyone but yourself. Can't you see it?<br /><br />I think you mistake "pissed off" for simply being tired of hearing the SOS that you continue to mutter about.<br /><br />I'll give you an example that could be seen as similar, perhaps you will learn from it.<br />On my Crew in College, there was a M4+ made up of 4 guys from the M8+ and it was pretty damn fast. I got the idea that it would certainly be faster with me in the boat and proceeded to make it clear, through Erg Testing, that I should displace someone from that boat. That didn't seem to work, i.e. the coach kept that boat together. I finally got fed up, and this really went against my instincts, but went right to the coach and told him what I thought should happen. "I should be in the M4+!", his response was somewhat less than favorable. "Maybe, but you're not going to be." I thought, "damn! that went just about how I thought it would.", then I went on and continued to have success with those guys in the 8+, kind of embarassed for being so brash, and hoping that the coach would not mention that moment to the guys, I don't think that he did. I guess in the same situation you would be bad mouthing the coach and the guys in the M4+, in hopes that it would cahnge their minds about something. Guess what, it won't, just as you remain locked into your own destructive mindset while expecting others to be somewhat more benevolent.<br /><br />You also go on about how they should "respect performance" alone, well you don't seem to do that yourself, or you think I lied to you at some point, which makes you very foolish.<br /><br />Still waiting for that "wrong" thing.

[[old] ranger]

<!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The process isn’t perfect, though it’s easier to criticize than to come up with workable solutions. </td></tr></table><br /><br />It is a _cinch_ to come up with a workable solution. Just do what _any_ open selectional process in athletics does.<br /><br />(1) State explicitly that in clear cases selection will be based on the relative quality of the 2K trials rowed.<br /><br />(2) Publish the results of the 2K trials rowed.<br /><br />(3) Make a short statement about how decisions were made when 2Ks of similar quality were rowed by applicants in different divisions.<br /><br />Is there something impossible about being open with the process? If so, what?<br /><br />ranger

[[old] mpukita]

<!--QuoteBegin-ranger+Nov 23 2005, 11:11 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(ranger @ Nov 23 2005, 11:11 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->No, I got it right </td></tr></table><br /><br />Mike--<br /><br />Hilarious stuff. <br /><br />Yes, you can really deal it out, dude. <br /><br />That's o.k., it's harmless, given the source!<br /><br /> <br /><br />Don't worry. No one will say a peep back to you. We all understand that we should only listen when you talk.<br /><br /> <br /><br />The GREEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT Puba.<br /><br />BTW, can I carry your towel for you? It would be an honor.<br /><br /> <br /><br />ranger <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Monumentally childish ...<br /><br />Ranger, I notice that you are "on leave" from U of M (as shown on the U of M web site). What's the reason?

[[old] ranger]

<!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I'll give you an example </td></tr></table><br /><br />I don't see any parallel with your example.<br /><br />Erging is an individual sport. An erg is not a boat. It is certainly not a big boat, one manned by more than one oarsman. Trials in an individual sport are trials against the clock. Outcomes of trials in individual sports are (pretty) clear. <br /><br />I have played many team sports. Of course, in team sports the coach must decide which team to play, how the team should play, which players to assign to which postiions, which players to substitute and when, and so forth. A coach of a team sport is like a general. There is a chain of command. Performance depends on authority. <br /><br />Trials and performances in individual sports are nothing like this. In an individual sport, the best athlete in the event just performs--by themselves, without substitutes, without an assigned position in a larger "game-plan" with other athletes on the team, and without a specified performance strategy other than just to do their best. Doing their best is what helps the team.<br /><br />The outcomes of individual sports just depend on individual merit. In the normal case, there is no "teamwork" involved.<br /><br />If C2 is putting together something different from a group of athletes doing an individual sport, then they should say so and act like it. They shouldn't offer open trials and qualification standards. They shouldn't call the team the United States Indoor Rowing Team. They shouldn't make out as though selection to the team is based on merit. They should just pick some people that they know row well and will further their business interests by generating some excitement at the races and give them a plane trip and hotel accommodations in return for their labor.<br /><br />ranger

[[old] ranger]

<!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Monumentally childish ... </td></tr></table><br /><br />Yes, unfortunately. Just returning the favor. <br /><br />On leave? Yes. Sabbatical. <br /><br />ranger

[[old] PaulS]

<!--QuoteBegin-ranger+Nov 23 2005, 07:45 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(ranger @ Nov 23 2005, 07:45 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I'll give you an example </td></tr></table><br /><br />I don't see any parallel with your example.<br /><br />Erging is an individual sport. An erg is not a boat. It is certainly not a big boat, one manned by more than one oarsman. Trials in an individual sport are trials against the clock. Outcomes of trials in individual sports are (pretty) clear. <br /><br />ranger <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />I told my wife that is exactly what you would say. (We're both having a good laugh now.)<br /><br />Once again, you miss the point.<br /><br />Have a nice Thanksgiving.

[[old] ranger]

<!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--> You have whined before about how Dennis Hastings and I have behaved “unsportsmanlike” towards you </td></tr></table><br /><br />No whining involved, Mike. Just stating a fact. So it goes, I guess.<br /><br />ranger

[[old] ranger]

<!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I told my wife that is exactly what you would say </td></tr></table><br /><br />Not surprising, given it is what _anybody_ would say.<br /><br />There is no parallel.<br /><br />ranger

[[old] ranger]

<!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Just because you rowed some excellent times in your day </td></tr></table><br /><br />My rowing "days" are not at all over, Mike. I am getting better, _much_ better. I will be around rowing, both indoors and OTW, for a _long_ time, the rest of my life, I would guess. It is the perfect sport for me. I love it!<br /><br />I assume I will continue to get better for several more years (on the erg) and for many, many years OTW.<br /><br />I am now doing 1:50 @ 18 spm (almost 15 SPI!) for my long, low spm rowing. Nice progress! 1:52 @ 20 spm (12.5 SPI) used to be very difficult low spm work for me (e.g., in 2003) before I improved my technique.<br /><br />My guess is that these improvements will show up--big time--in my racing this winter.<br /><br />ranger

[[old] John Rupp]

<!--QuoteBegin-PaulS+Nov 23 2005, 07:16 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(PaulS @ Nov 23 2005, 07:16 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->his response was somewhat less than favorable. "Maybe, but you're not going to be." </td></tr></table><br /><br />Is that the same coach that timed your world record 5:32 or whatever it was!

[[old] John Rupp]

<!--QuoteBegin-PaulS+Nov 23 2005, 07:16 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(PaulS @ Nov 23 2005, 07:16 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Still waiting for that "wrong" thing.  [right] </td></tr></table><br /><br /> <br />

[[old] ranger]

<!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Here’s a challenge: when you respond to this, do it by saying something new. I say there’s a greater chance you will pull a 6:16 for 2K at WIRC next year. </td></tr></table><br /><br />I never said I would pull 6:16 at WIRC this year. I said that 6:16 is the limit of my potential. I said that I will pull 6:24 at WIRC this year. The real question is this: Will you?<br /><br />I think it is a good thing to have a conception of the limits of your potential. You think that this is outrageous or something, an unspeakable breach of rowing etiquette, an insult to Dennis Hastings and all others in the 50s lwt category, a breach of USIRT social "rules," an instance of blatant egoistical ranting, sufficient reason to be excluded from any social group of elite rowers, including the USIRT, and so forth.<br /><br />Whew!<br /><br />It is just a feeling for the limits of my potential--and I think it is entirely reasonable.<br /><br />As it turns out, the similar things back in 2002-03 that you thought were outrageous, blantant rantings of a blowhard (e.g., that I could lose weight, maintain strength, and still break the 50s lwt WR) turned out to be exactly right! And I didn't just break it once. I broke it three times.<br /><br />These things are just hopes and dreams, Mike, feelings. If you don't have these things, I am sorry, Mike. Truly, truly sorry. <br /><br />But others do.<br /><br />ranger

[[old] JimR]

<i><u><span style='color:blue'><span style='font-size:21pt;line-height:100%'><b>Mike ... Have you gone mad!!!</b></span></span></u></i> <br /><br />> Your post on this topic has (estimated) 640 words.<br />> This has (so far) resulted in 4 Ranger posts with an average of 11.5 of your words quoted ... plus one post without a quote<br /><br />I estimate there will be:<br />> 51 additional postings from Ranger with select words pull from your post, probably done so in a way to maximize the out of context effect<br />> 13 additional postings from Ranger without any quoted section(s), rebutting things you did not write, mean to write, imply in what you wrote or think while you were posting<br />> hundreds of posting by Ranger to Ranger about everything Rannger said about Ranger ... including the progress of his training towards the goal of blowing past any standing times ever done on an erg.<br /><br />In summary ... you have unleashed the monster within! Beware!! THE RANGER WILL RUN AMOK!!!<br /><br /> <br /><br />JimR