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[[old] FrancoisA]

<!--QuoteBegin-John Rupp+Dec 21 2005, 08:38 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(John Rupp @ Dec 21 2005, 08:38 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Just this morning I did a few strokes at 1:33 pace and I'm only 143 pounds. <br /> </td></tr></table><br />John, since you are so strong and have such endurance (you have done over a million meters during the Holiday Challenge), how come your 2K is only a pathetic 7:24

[[old] PaulS]

<!--QuoteBegin-FrancoisA+Dec 21 2005, 01:04 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(FrancoisA @ Dec 21 2005, 01:04 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-John Rupp+Dec 21 2005, 08:38 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(John Rupp @ Dec 21 2005, 08:38 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Just this morning I did a few strokes at 1:33 pace and I'm only 143 pounds. <br /> </td></tr></table><br />John, since you are so strong and have such endurance (you have done over a million meters during the Holiday Challenge), how come your 2K is only a pathetic 7:24 <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />FrancoisA, <br /><br />That's because a 7:24 is REALLY FAST, in terms of <b>P</b>ower <b>A</b>djusted <b>T</b>ime <b>T</b>rials. (The official standard in Bizzaro World)<br /><br />I think they score Erging like bowling in John's World.<br /><br />

[[old] John Rupp]

<!--QuoteBegin-John Rupp+Dec 20 2005, 03:42 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(John Rupp @ Dec 20 2005, 03:42 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->PaulS,<br /><br />If only I could keep from slowing 9 seconds in 4 years as a 50 year old.<br /><br />Oh that's right, it's never happened!  <br /><br />However if I ever want to slow that much I'll be sure to give you a call.  [right] </td></tr></table><br /><br />Hasting's PATT percentage used to be 100%, when he had the 50+ record.<br /><br />His lastest time is 98.6 percentage.<br /><br />Farther away but not too far.<br /><br />I predicted before EIRC that Hastings would row 6:35 by the spring, which would bring the percentage back to 100 again.<br /><br />That's provided that Rich doesn't get his stroke worked out, or perhaps that he does.

[[old] NavigationHazard]

<!--QuoteBegin-FrancoisA+Dec 21 2005, 04:04 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(FrancoisA @ Dec 21 2005, 04:04 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-John Rupp+Dec 21 2005, 08:38 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(John Rupp @ Dec 21 2005, 08:38 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Just this morning I did a few strokes at 1:33 pace and I'm only 143 pounds. <br /> </td></tr></table><br />John, since you are so strong and have such endurance (you have done over a million meters during the Holiday Challenge), how come your 2K is only a pathetic 7:24 <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br /><br />Francois, I have to take some exception to your choice of words.<br /><br />JR and I may have our differences -- I say tomato, he says tomahto, I say potato, he says rutabagas (bulbous roots adjusted according to VAVOOM, or Varietally Adjusted Vegetable Ontological Ordering Method).<br /><br />But I hope I would never call John's performance pathetic, and in all my needling I'd like to think that I never have. I have no doubt that he worked very hard to achieve it, as does anyone who does any sort of time trial on an erg. I actually have great respect for any and all of us who climb on our little torture machines. As the western world grows increasingly fat, those who buck the trend by exercising deserve credit where credit is due. And whatever else John may be, he is diligent about his workouts and utterly devoted to his (highly idiosyncratic) methods. Ranger too, while I think of it.<br /><br />As far as I'm concerned, one of the great things about our sport is that all of the dozen or so past or present Olympians, coaches, hammer winners, and so on that I've met and/or corresponded with have appreciated the effort that us lesser mortals put in to pull the results we do. Or to put it another way, they understand that to climb on an erg and pull a test piece until you throw up is a gut check regardless of the time or distance involved. I may not be able to match their strokes. But I hope I can emulate their general appreciation of the sport and its participants.<br /><br />I appreciate that you undoubtedly meant it in jest (we all want John to go faster, as does John), and to his credit JR appears to have taken it that way. But I wanted to make clear where I stand. <br />

[[old] John Rupp]

Nav,<br /><br />Thanks for your great message, applicable to everyone. <br /><br />Very well said and one of the best messages I have seen on the forum.

[[old] Exrook]

I've been off the forums for a while, and I come back to see John in fine form. Maybe it was the recent full moon, a lack of sunlight due to the short days, or just meds in need of adjustment...who knows?<br /><br />

[[old] PaulS]

<!--QuoteBegin-John Rupp+Dec 21 2005, 01:46 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(John Rupp @ Dec 21 2005, 01:46 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-John Rupp+Dec 20 2005, 03:42 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(John Rupp @ Dec 20 2005, 03:42 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->PaulS,<br /><br />If only I could keep from slowing 9 seconds in 4 years as a 50 year old.<br /><br />Oh that's right, it's never happened!   <br /><br />However if I ever want to slow that much I'll be sure to give you a call.   [right] </td></tr></table><br /><br />Hasting's PATT percentage used to be 100%, when he had the 50+ record.<br /><br />His lastest time is 98.6 percentage.<br /><br />Farther away but not too far.<br /><br />I predicted before EIRC that Hastings would row 6:35 by the spring, which would bring the percentage back to 100 again.<br /><br />That's provided that Rich doesn't get his stroke worked out, or perhaps that he does. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />John, you are replying to yourself again....<br /><br />Dennis has the WR in his age category, I find it amazing that you scoff at that achievement, or demean it in any way. Though I've come to expect such things from you.

[[old] John Rupp]

PaulS,<br /><br />It is not demeaning to predict he will do a 6:35 by the spring.<br /><br />To the contrary, it's encouraging.<br /><br />Though if he keeps listening to you he'll probably be afraid to get in a race by that time.

[[old] PaulS]

<!--QuoteBegin-John Rupp+Dec 21 2005, 02:53 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(John Rupp @ Dec 21 2005, 02:53 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->PaulS,<br /><br />It is not demeaning to predict he will do a 6:35 by the spring.<br /><br />To the contrary, it's encouraging.<br /><br />Though if he keeps listening to you he'll probably be afraid to get in a race by that time.  <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />You say you "predicted" this? Is that like Rangers predictions? (SWAG)<br /><br />What did you base this prediction on?<br /><br />I think Dennis can go a bit faster, but have specific data to back it up.<br /><br />Now you are insulting me, but that is also something you have become known for.<br /><br />You're only hurting your own credibilty, even though there is not much left ot hurt.

[[old] John Rupp]

Well you posted elsewhere that you are "afraid" to complete any more races.<br /><br />Because they "hurt" too much.... train hard, race easy right? <br /><br />And Rich hasn't completed any races now for 2 years since listening to you.....<br /><br />Stay tuned! ..... results coming soon!

[[old] PaulS]

<!--QuoteBegin-John Rupp+Dec 21 2005, 03:09 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(John Rupp @ Dec 21 2005, 03:09 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Well you posted elsewhere that you are "afraid" to complete any more races.<br /><br />Because they "hurt" too much.... train hard, race easy right?      <br /><br />And Rich hasn't completed any races now for 2 years since listening to you.....<br /><br />Stay tuned! ..... results coming soon!      <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br /><br />I did? I don't recall that , but you are not very good at interpretting things I have said accurately.<br /><br />I may have said that I do not want to risk injury and that racing is a greater risk for that. I have done time trials that I am quite satisfied with, but they did require excessive recovery time (several weeks) that I do not wish to repeat. That was about two years ago and there is no reason to repeat the performances again. The unfortunate part, was that I did not realize there was damage until the following day, so it's impossible to tell exacly when it might have happened.<br />There is no problem on the water with racing as the water has a limit on the stress that can be imparted on the body, the Erg does not have that limit.<br /><br />Definitely "Train Hard, Race easy..." Apparently you don't do either, so have no idea what I'm talking about.<br /><br />Ranger, listen to me? Now that would be something!

[[old] John Rupp]

<!--QuoteBegin-PaulS+Dec 21 2005, 03:27 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(PaulS @ Dec 21 2005, 03:27 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I may have said that I do not want to risk injury and that racing is a greater risk for that.  I have done time trials that I am quite satisfied with, but they did require excessive recovery time (several weeks) that I do not wish to repeat.  That was about two years ago and there is no reason to repeat the performances again.[right] </td></tr></table><br />Wow, two weeks to recover from a sprint.<br /><br />That must be a new world record!

[[old] PaulS]

<!--QuoteBegin-John Rupp+Dec 21 2005, 03:39 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(John Rupp @ Dec 21 2005, 03:39 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-PaulS+Dec 21 2005, 03:27 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(PaulS @ Dec 21 2005, 03:27 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I may have said that I do not want to risk injury and that racing is a greater risk for that.  I have done time trials that I am quite satisfied with, but they did require excessive recovery time (several weeks) that I do not wish to repeat.  That was about two years ago and there is no reason to repeat the performances again.[right] </td></tr></table><br />Wow, two weeks to recover from a sprint.<br /><br />That must be a new world record! <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Nope, I did both the 500M and 2500M on Slides, so it could not be construed as a WR attempt.

[[old] John Rupp]

Those slides must be tough!<br /><br />Maybe try it next time without them!

[[old] ranger]

<!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Ranger, listen to me? Now that would be something! </td></tr></table><br /><br />I (obviously) _have_ listened to you, Paul. I have taken quite a bit of your advice and have benefitted enormously from it. Thanks again.<br /><br />If in rowing, learning to row is an activity that shouldn't be indulged in, this is an odd sport indeed. <br /><br />For the past year or so, I haven't been ready to race on the erg because I have been learning to row.<br /><br />As JR would find out, if he got in a boat, erging is not necessarily rowing.<br /><br />My primary interest is in rowing OTW, not in erging. <br /><br />ranger