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Post by Slothful1 » June 22nd, 2020, 4:00 pm

jackarabit wrote:
June 22nd, 2020, 8:59 am
@ Slothful1: Dave, will your virtual race have a Zoom-like video conference hookup or animated, boats-in-lanes, progress board as per Rowpro and live venues?
According to the mail that came today, it looks like there will be a livestream on the British Rowing website. Still waiting for them to confirm race times on Saturday and Sunday, but there are 81 entries in the 40-49 fat men category, so I get 2 days of racing for my £8. Good value, but have to remember to save one of my lungs to cough up on the 2nd day.

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Post by lindsayh » June 25th, 2020, 7:13 am

best of luck Dave - that is a huge field for your age group and a bit of an outlier - lots of groups around ten and less and about 1200 overall.
I just couldn't justify an entry in current fitness state and there was a big risk of a very unfriendly starting time either in the middle of the night or whilst I was at work. Irritated a bit now because 2 erg buddies (one from oz and one UK) are both racing. it will be interesting to see how Richard Steventon goes - he was very fast indeed a few years ago and is now coming back from a hip replacement 2 years ago which was a nuisance.

Terry and I trained together for the first time since mid March tonite and did the CTC.
Mine 4289 @1:51.9 and Terry was 4118 @1:56.5 - happy enough with limited training at present

one more to float boat 4!
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Post by jackarabit » June 26th, 2020, 12:34 pm

JeanG pushed IV off the float this morning. On the bubble as supernumary Fhwt. She saw the trap in the fixed (non-proportional) rest and maybe played it a bit safe on the 7’. I said she should do the warmup b4 the challenge. Got a disapproving look in return. Wit not appreciated. 😤
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Post by graycyn » June 27th, 2020, 2:39 pm

OK, I punched the buttons like you posted into the PM5, Jack, but I'm not sure it worked the way it should. There didn't seem to be any 2 minute rest intervals, just rowing for 7 minutes, 5 minutes, 3 minutes, 1 minute. I could see the timer reset for each interval, but there was no rest indicator on the monitor after. And then it clicked over to 0 and I stopped after a few slow down strokes.

https://log.concept2.com/profile/1203262/log/45383922

So I'm not sure if I'm safe to enter it on the CTC site or not?

To be honest, I don't think I'd have wanted to be on the rower longer, my legs felt somewhat odd getting off and I had to hold the wall and the counter to start walking down the hall, but then again, that's not terribly unusual these days. Doing OK now though. Have eaten a big herring salad and taken my Celebrex and turmeric pills, hopefully no repercussions.

Today was the first day in a long while I actually felt like it might be safe to try. I just hope I did it right! I figured I'd best check with y'all before entering my distance.

Still no word about the referral for the spinal steroid injections, guess I will be calling my doctor on Monday to see what's going on there. Meanwhile, I need to give myself another quarantine haircut, wish me luck!
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Post by Slothful1 » June 27th, 2020, 5:13 pm

lindsayh wrote:
June 25th, 2020, 7:13 am
best of luck Dave - that is a huge field for your age group and a bit of an outlier - lots of groups around ten and less and about 1200 overall.
I just couldn't justify an entry in current fitness state and there was a big risk of a very unfriendly starting time either in the middle of the night or whilst I was at work. Irritated a bit now because 2 erg buddies (one from oz and one UK) are both racing. it will be interesting to see how Richard Steventon goes - he was very fast indeed a few years ago and is now coming back from a hip replacement 2 years ago which was a nuisance.

Terry and I trained together for the first time since mid March tonite and did the CTC.
Mine 4289 @1:51.9 and Terry was 4118 @1:56.5 - happy enough with limited training at present

one more to float boat 4!
Thanks Lindsay. There were some regrets this morning that I'd signed up, with sub-optimal training over the past 6 weeks. In the end about 65 started of the 80 in the 40-49 group. And we're the only group having to turn up again tomorrow and do it all again!

I knew that sub-8 would be tough but doable, based on the few training sessions I did manage to fit in. I did my standard adapted Fletcher workout, which was about 2/3rds done when the monitor cleared and the race system took over (about 15 minutes before the start which I wasn't expecting). Managed to finish it off blind, so can't blame that on the heavy feeling when the race started.

The race started a few minutes late, and the PM5 kept faffing around moving me from erg 14 to 12 to 13, then nothing for a while. This was after it had been displaying the normal pre-race screen, so I was getting worried that something was going wrong with the connection. Fortunately it all seemed to come right, and the familiar race screen returned. I see from the results that something went wrong with Heat 3, and they had to go again 8 hours later!

Heart rate was elevated, but not as bad as it was at BRIC18 and WRIC20, so doing this from home does have some advantages! The only other familiar name in my heat was Stu Wenman (Dangerscouse), so that provided some distraction from the personal pain, while I watched him challenging for a place in the A final tomorrow. Apparently needed a PB to get there, but it was a great effort to see from my position at the back of the field. I was about 400+ metres behind when the winner hit the 0 mark.

The race start seemed even worse than at a venue, and I was seeing an average of over 2:06 for the first while, before I managed to wind it down to my target of 1:59.9. I saw a few more 2:00-2:03 paces at the beginning than I would have liked, but managed to knuckle down and get back on track. I didn't try for my usual ramp up in the last 300 metres because I need to save something for tomorrow! Managed a 7:58.9 in the end. Not an SB even, and I don't think I can blame the race start entirely for being slower than that 7:57.1.

I thought I was in uncharted territory in having to do 2 of these in 2 days, but I see I did it back in 2007 where I clearly wasn't happy with my 7:41 (noting in my log that it was 31 degrees and I could have gone faster). Did it the next day and knocked 3 seconds off. And then in Sept 2008 I did 2 in one day, separated by a 4 minute time trial. No idea what was up with that - the folly of youth!

Goal tomorrow is to repeat today's pacing, but try throw in the *** DELETE - SPAM *** sink at the end. I suspect I might be last, but I already had practice with that today :).

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Post by Slothful1 » June 27th, 2020, 5:18 pm

graycyn wrote:
June 27th, 2020, 2:39 pm
OK, I punched the buttons like you posted into the PM5, Jack, but I'm not sure it worked the way it should. There didn't seem to be any 2 minute rest intervals, just rowing for 7 minutes, 5 minutes, 3 minutes, 1 minute. I could see the timer reset for each interval, but there was no rest indicator on the monitor after. And then it clicked over to 0 and I stopped after a few slow down strokes.

https://log.concept2.com/profile/1203262/log/45383922

So I'm not sure if I'm safe to enter it on the CTC site or not?

To be honest, I don't think I'd have wanted to be on the rower longer, my legs felt somewhat odd getting off and I had to hold the wall and the counter to start walking down the hall, but then again, that's not terribly unusual these days. Doing OK now though. Have eaten a big herring salad and taken my Celebrex and turmeric pills, hopefully no repercussions.

Today was the first day in a long while I actually felt like it might be safe to try. I just hope I did it right! I figured I'd best check with y'all before entering my distance.

Still no word about the referral for the spinal steroid injections, guess I will be calling my doctor on Monday to see what's going on there. Meanwhile, I need to give myself another quarantine haircut, wish me luck!
Good luck with the haircut, Cynthia! I've been trying for a while to decide whether I'm doing one myself (most likely a full razor effort which I haven't done since 1995). In the end I may have missed my moment, and hairdressers are now allowed to operate in South Africa, so may take myself down for a cut next week.

On the CTC you'd be fine to enter that time. There were no rules against starting intervals with a moving fan, so you've effectively done the harder version of no rest breaks! Some CTCs have tried to stop people skipping rests by forcing a dead fan at the start of an interval, but those don't happen that often, and it gets left to personal preference.

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Post by jackarabit » June 27th, 2020, 5:47 pm

Cynthia, I marked the two instructions you omitted from first interval button pushes. I used the term ‘down arrow” where I should have used ‘right arrow’. Also omitted ‘time’ from fourth interval button pushes. I apologize for creating confusion which put you in the position of being compelled to row continuous distance.

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What to do about it?

1) Result should not be entered as not executed in accordance with challenge rules.

2) Consult Concept 2 video describing step by step programming of variable intervals. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGcTABDe3uA

3) Check your work whenever the penalty for programming error is unacceptable (due diligence). This usually entails a dry run for familiarization with the task as well as discovery of Inputting error(s).
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Post by jackarabit » June 27th, 2020, 8:13 pm

Slothful1 wrote:
June 27th, 2020, 5:18 pm
graycyn wrote:
June 27th, 2020, 2:39 pm
OK, I punched the buttons like you posted into the PM5, Jack, but I'm not sure it worked the way it should. There didn't seem to be any 2 minute rest intervals, just rowing for 7 minutes, 5 minutes, 3 minutes, 1 minute. I could see the timer reset for each interval, but there was no rest indicator on the monitor after. And then it clicked over to 0 and I stopped after a few slow down strokes.

https://log.concept2.com/profile/1203262/log/45383922

So I'm not sure if I'm safe to enter it on the CTC site or not?

To be honest, I don't think I'd have wanted to be on the rower longer, my legs felt somewhat odd getting off and I had to hold the wall and the counter to start walking down the hall, but then again, that's not terribly unusual these days. Doing OK now though. Have eaten a big herring salad and taken my Celebrex and turmeric pills, hopefully no repercussions.

Today was the first day in a long while I actually felt like it might be safe to try. I just hope I did it right! I figured I'd best check with y'all before entering my distance.

Still no word about the referral for the spinal steroid injections, guess I will be calling my doctor on Monday to see what's going on there. Meanwhile, I need to give myself another quarantine haircut, wish me luck!
Good luck with the haircut, Cynthia! I've been trying for a while to decide whether I'm doing one myself (most likely a full razor effort which I haven't done since 1995). In the end I may have missed my moment, and hairdressers are now allowed to operate in South Africa, so may take myself down for a cut next week.

On the CTC you'd be fine to enter that time. There were no rules against starting intervals with a moving fan, so you've effectively done the harder version of no rest breaks! Some CTCs have tried to stop people skipping rests by forcing a dead fan at the start of an interval, but those don't happen that often, and it gets left to personal preference.

Dave
I missed this post following Cynthia’s query concerning her challenge attempt. I defer to Dave’s view that ‘no harm no foul’ carries some water in deciding the question of admissibility.

Dave, our Glaswegian friend won the 1750 and lost the sprint for 2nd in 40+M (by 1.2”). Manners was very patient!
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Post by rtbrouwer » June 28th, 2020, 2:08 pm

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June 5th, 2020, 8:32 am
Just put in a time for the June CTC to get an idea of the pacing. came to total of 4602m.
7:00 @ 1:45.9 for 1983m
5:00 @ 1:45.3 for 1424m
3:00 @ 1:43.6 for 868m
1:00 @ 1:31.4 for 328m

My idea was to go pretty fast on the first 7 minutes because that is almost 50% of the race and I didn't want to leave to much on the table there. Went slightly faster on the second part. Again a little bit faster on the 3:00 and everything I had left on the last minute.

Would be interesting to see what happens if I go a bit easier on the first 7. Will I make up the lost time on the "shorter" sections because I am fresher? I think I can gain a lot on the 3:00 piece but was too tired in this case to go sub 1:40 there.
Just did this one again and improved my previous score with a total of 4620:
7:00 @ 1:45.3 for 1994m
5:00 @ 1:45.1 for 1426m
3:00 @ 1:43.2 for 872m
1:00 @ 1:31.4 for 328m

Very happy with my score. Have been off the rower for more then a week. Did a lot of cycling though and it seems all the aerobic work pays off!
PB: 500m 1:24.8 - 1k 3:13 - 2k 6:48 - 5k 18:17 - 6k 21:59 - 30m 8064m - 10k 38:09 60m 15771 HM 1:20:45
YB: 500m 1:24.8 - 1k 0:00 - 2k 6:48 - 5k 18:34 - 6k 21:59 - 30m 8064m - 10k 38:09 60m 15771 HM 1:20:45

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Post by lindsayh » June 29th, 2020, 8:35 am

rtbrouwer wrote:
June 28th, 2020, 2:08 pm
Just did this one again and improved my previous score with a total of 4620:
7:00 @ 1:45.3 for 1994m
5:00 @ 1:45.1 for 1426m
3:00 @ 1:43.2 for 872m
1:00 @ 1:31.4 for 328m
Very happy with my score. Have been off the rower for more then a week. Did a lot of cycling though and it seems all the aerobic work pays off!
very strong Ronald - I find it hard to improve if I have a good one in the bank at the end off a month - ready to move on to other things
One more and we float boat 5!
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Post by rtbrouwer » June 29th, 2020, 10:01 am

lindsayh wrote:
June 29th, 2020, 8:35 am
very strong Ronald - I find it hard to improve if I have a good one in the bank at the end off a month - ready to move on to other things
One more and we float boat 5!
Same here, but I was still bummed about my 6k attempt and decided the body needed to be locked up in the paincave for a short while, so that's why I decided to have another go at this one. I really like the setup of this challange!
PB: 500m 1:24.8 - 1k 3:13 - 2k 6:48 - 5k 18:17 - 6k 21:59 - 30m 8064m - 10k 38:09 60m 15771 HM 1:20:45
YB: 500m 1:24.8 - 1k 0:00 - 2k 6:48 - 5k 18:34 - 6k 21:59 - 30m 8064m - 10k 38:09 60m 15771 HM 1:20:45

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Post by lindsayh » June 29th, 2020, 8:38 pm

July is a plain old 2112m (apparently the distance at Henley regatta that is cancelled)
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Post by Citroen » June 29th, 2020, 8:41 pm

lindsayh wrote:
June 29th, 2020, 8:38 pm
July is a plain old 2112m (apparently the distance at Henley regatta that is cancelled)
I'm taking the cancelled option. Gyms in the UK won't re-open before August (except in Leicester where it could be September).

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Post by lindsayh » June 29th, 2020, 10:03 pm

Citroen wrote:
June 29th, 2020, 8:41 pm
lindsayh wrote:
June 29th, 2020, 8:38 pm
July is a plain old 2112m (apparently the distance at Henley regatta that is cancelled)
I'm taking the cancelled option. Gyms in the UK won't re-open before August (except in Leicester where it could be September).
I think there is a lot of that to come - it is even hard to see Tokyo 2021 eventuating.
We now have the gyms open here with careful controls thank goodness although a second surge has occurred in one state - Victoria - whilst we are still pretty much controlled elsewhere.
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