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Post by hjs » December 3rd, 2016, 7:00 am

ivan141 wrote:I'll see if I can recruit the missus to join the challenge, but she's only just starting out and is a lightweight (which begets no benefits on c2ctc if I'm not mistaken).
She seems to have developed some enthusiasm for improving her 500m sprint, so who knows..
Everybody is very welcome. Per boat only one female is needed, weight does indeed not matter. But on an other note, for her looks she proberly better stays lightweight. :wink:

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Post by Citroen » December 3rd, 2016, 8:48 am

ivan141 wrote:I'll see if I can recruit the missus to join the challenge, but she's only just starting out and is a lightweight (which begets no benefits on c2ctc if I'm not mistaken).
She seems to have developed some enthusiasm for improving her 500m sprint, so who knows..
Female lightweights are the most valuable folks on the CTC. They're the most likely to get a boat floating. Since each boat needs 3 heavies (any gender including spare LWTs), 1 lightweight (any gender) and one lady. LWT ladies are in all three of those sets.

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Post by jackarabit » December 3rd, 2016, 9:45 am

^ why MAD II so often spends the entire month sitting at the float. :D
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Post by Bloodbuzz Corio » December 3rd, 2016, 4:14 pm

Very gentle first attempt at the Dec CTC as part of first workout back after a couple of days missed with cold and work holiday party last night.

1,497m (1:40.2) is less than 2" lower than my recent 1k - so under no illusions that I can and have to go much faster than this. but I think after BRIC next weekend the CTC will be my focus for the rest of the month, and feel like it's short enough I can have a few goes at it, so thinking I'll try for incremental improvements each time with the aim to really get as far as I can by the end of the month.

Piers hopefully you're fully recovered from your cold nor or soon and can have a few goes at this one also - given how close we were on the 1k last month will hopefully be able to push each other a bit here!
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Post by ivan141 » December 3rd, 2016, 4:58 pm

The december challenge is too much hassle for me to properly record results for with my old PM2 monitor.
With some luck I can change over to a PM3 some time this month as a guy at the club just switched to a PM5
and is willing to part with his old pm3.
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Post by meerkats » December 3rd, 2016, 5:10 pm

Blimey that was a bit of a humdinger. Feeling all pumped up and ready to cockatoo die doo after that lot. Know what you mean about the programming, pain enough on a pm5.

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Good challenge to match or beat yourself on the way back. Just failed on the 5th interval. 1500 would be a good challenge for me this month. Good luck all it is a good one

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Post by Pie Man » December 4th, 2016, 5:19 pm

Cold still not gone but going, had another attempt at this, 1511m 1:39.3 didn't manage to get each distance the same or better the second time round as my 40s was only 202 not 203. It certainly wasn't gentle, but it's the first testing work I have done in nearly 2 weeks. Looking forward to getting into this after BRIC, hopefully I can give you a run for your money Rohan.
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Post by Bloodbuzz Corio » December 5th, 2016, 2:08 pm

Good stuff Piers - I just had another crack and got up to 1,521m (1:38.6) - certainly not at the limit yet but noticeably tougher than Saturday's effort. My 40s (203) and 50s (253) were both the same up and back - had 154 for the second 30 v 152 for the first.
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Post by lindsayh » December 6th, 2016, 4:17 am

nice competition guys and best of luck for the weekend
(BTW say gidday to my erg buddy Mike Forder 60+ if you see him at the BRIC)

did a CTC tonite - details in the training thread
1630m @1:32.0 - pretty full on I reckon but could pace it a bit better - might have to do at the moment
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Post by jackarabit » December 6th, 2016, 6:55 am

How does rate change contribute to pace on this succession of itty bits? Obviously distance graphs as a cone (pyramid) for nearly everyone except those who experience a radical failure of pace. As a general proposition, does stroke rate graph as a vee or chevron for most do you think? Are the increments of rate interval to interval consistent out and back, or up and down as it were? Does this series of intervals of very short total duration allow most of us to max stroke force and modulate only the rate?
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Post by Pie Man » December 6th, 2016, 7:02 am

Thanks Lindsay, I may get to see Mike's race as it's at 9:10 I'll be sure to cheer him on if I do.

My rates were pretty much a chevron, Jack. 38,38,36,35,36,36,38 with only the first and second 40 different, however I'm not fully dialed into this so there may be some changes to come.
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Post by hjs » December 6th, 2016, 7:12 am

jackarabit wrote:How does rate change contribute to pace on this succession of itty bits? Obviously distance graphs as a cone (pyramid) for nearly everyone except those who experience a radical failure of pace. As a general proposition, does stroke rate graph as a vee or chevron for most do you think? Are the increments of rate interval to interval consistent out and back, or up and down as it were? Does this series of intervals of very short total duration allow most of us to max stroke force and modulate only the rate?
Pacing is certainly needed, think the rating should be kept relative calm on the way up, from there it will be hanging on, last rep can be an all out sprint with very high rate.

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Post by lindsayh » December 6th, 2016, 5:17 pm

hjs wrote:
jackarabit wrote:How does rate change contribute to pace on this succession of itty bits? Obviously distance graphs as a cone (pyramid) for nearly everyone except those who experience a radical failure of pace. As a general proposition, does stroke rate graph as a vee or chevron for most do you think? Are the increments of rate interval to interval consistent out and back, or up and down as it were? Does this series of intervals of very short total duration allow most of us to max stroke force and modulate only the rate?
Pacing is certainly needed, think the rating should be kept relative calm on the way up, from there it will be hanging on, last rep can be an all out sprint with very high rate.
I just rated too high the whole way I suspect compensating for lack of power-> 42,39,40,39,40,42,42 - defo not "relatively calm" I am afraid
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Post by hjs » December 11th, 2016, 5:51 am

Race for me yesterday, Amsterdam, the nkir, big event, lasted from 9.00 to 19.30, a hour extra due to a delay.

First the 2k, racetime was 9.45, had a delay parking, took 15 min plus to buy a parking ticket, only one spot to do so in the whole street with a big que to do so.
Warm was short and legs felt not good, a few speed bumps already made my hf soar and legs tighten....... :roll:

Race, was in a group of 9, one guy I expected around my level, didn,t know him though. Raceplan was to go off around 1.35 and try to stay around 1.37, but if needed on feel. Around 1400 in try to give more...

How it went, started ok, but around 300 m in already felt, it would be a tough day, so pace slipped a bit, glanced over to my neighbour, he pulled exactly my splits, but rated very low 27/28 ish.
Kept plugging away around 137, other guy did the same. But with 1k I really was in trouble already and 138/39 came along, hardly looked at the monitor, but the competition pulled away to 10 meters ahead orso. Not good.

Heard the speaker tell about it, and "if I could pick on". Legs said, hell no, with 500 to go I glanced over and saw the other guy pulling 1.30 flat, no way I could follow that, so that killed the last bit of energy. Almost let the pace slip, but did not, pulled through and the last 200 gave it a bit more. Finished 6.26.1, guy next to me 6.23.7, so he did not sprint the full last 500.
But he stood up right away, has certainly more and I felt killed off. Legs fully dead, stomach, headacke.
Had hoped for a few seconds better, but not so today.

No ergs available for a cool down, so said down and walked a bit only... Feeling pretty crap still.


Later in the afternoon, the 4x1k relay. Was planned 16.00, so we went home, only a 15 min drive. Eat some, watched the live feed a bit. Races where delayed, software trouble. Our race was now 16.45.

Back at the venue, met up with my buddy in which place I had to do the relay, he was sickly. Did not know the other guys, only that they where canoeists. Turned out they where 18 year olds, so feld a bit mature :wink:
Did the warm up, told the guys a bit what to expect and off to the arena. Last team to arrive.

This race, went off firm, but not overly hard, the morning session was still on my mind :roll: , pulled 130/31 mostly, av around 130.5/6 waited untill the last 100 and pulled the last bit 125 flat. So had a bit left. Pulled the av back to 129.7

Av team time was 3.04.3 so the guys did great, first erg race for them, and pulling pretty low 3.00 times age 18 is not bad I guess. Three heats , we where 2td in our, and there was another team a tad faster, do third overall. Number one 1.5 seconds faster only.

Felt a lot less bad compared to the 2k. The other guys gave it all, lying on the floor.

All in all nice day, I again know why I hate morning races, and also that strenght is ok, but current fitness is less great.
Rest today and will be training next week, also don,t like tapering :P

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Post by Bloodbuzz Corio » December 11th, 2016, 6:08 am

Thank for the report Henry - sorry to hear your 2k didn't go quite as well as you'd hoped, but good to hear you felt a bit better in the afternoon for the relay. Saw the photo on Twitter looks like you all did give it your all in that race!

I didn't see any of the relays at BRIC yesterday - is that literally the four of you on one machine (so also have to switch on and off, or just a team event where you're all doing a 1k simultaneously?
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