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Post by hjs » January 23rd, 2017, 11:37 am

Yankeerunner wrote:

Ctc will a good bit slower. Think more just above 2k pace. 1 2 seconds.

Thanks Henry. When I was erging more and faster I would have know this and would have been able to advise others. "Use it or lose it," as they say. :twisted:
Cheers Rick, ups and downs :wink: we just gotta keep on trucking don,t we. At least you still train and pound for pound you still pull very respectable times. So all good!

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Post by Rolf_Boers » January 23rd, 2017, 2:41 pm

ivan141 wrote:
Well, to be precise during the summer I rarely look at the erg, I spend my time on the water in just about every boatclass there is, though mostly 1X.
As long as there's no ice I row my weekends on water as well, I also count those km's.
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We spend our summers same way in that matter. Do you do races otw as well?
hjs wrote: The trouble with otw is that only when you have good enough technique you are able to train your fitness. Certainly a single is very much about technique. I get you like otw but its not a good tool for the erg.
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For me this is absolutely the case. Started rowing on the erg summer 2012 and otw on april 2014. In march 2014 I pulled 6:51 on 2k. Was about the last time I went sub 7. Also had some other issues but main reason is rowing otw and focus on technique instead of stamina. But keep trying to do both

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Post by ivan141 » January 23rd, 2017, 4:05 pm

Rolf_Boers wrote:We spend our summers same way in that matter. Do you do races otw as well?
Yes I participate in several regatta's throughout the year. This year I've done the Ganzeregatta, Markregatta, Tromp boatrace, Damen raceroei regatta, Lingebokaal and Proteus in 't lang.
I've raced in 2-, 4+, 8+ and 2x for my club (RV Barendrecht), and 8+ for company teams. Haven' t won anything since I've stopped racing C4's, but the competition is more serious
in the proper boat classes so that's no big surprise.

About rowing on water re stamina: It all depends. Our weekly training day is usually between 8 to 12 kilometers, more technique focused, but you get tired none the less.
The difference with an erg is that the concentration it takes to row a 1x, 2- or 4+ tires you out much faster since your coping with all kinds of balance issues.
When I row the single or the double I can just go for a decent distance and pace, usually 10 to 12km's.
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Post by hjs » January 23rd, 2017, 4:25 pm

ivan141 wrote:
About rowing on water re stamina: It all depends. Our weekly training day is usually between 8 to 12 kilometers, more technique focused, but you get tired none the less.
The difference with an erg is that the concentration it takes to row a 1x, 2- or 4+ tires you out much faster since your coping with all kinds of balance issues.
When I row the single or the double I can just go for a decent distance and pace, usually 10 to 12km's.
Thats the point, on the erg I beat you very easily. Lets say I start out otw, think you row circles around me. You need solid stable technique to get a decent training. As long as technique is not great, getting fitter doesn,t help you much. Simple becoming a better rower will help a lot more.

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Post by lindsayh » January 23rd, 2017, 7:11 pm

Yankeerunner wrote: By the way, Fred noted that he might join Lindsay and Jack in the 60-64 Hwt race at CRASH-Bs since the deadline to enter has been extended. He's feeling better about his erging than he was two weeks ago.
I was about 2k+2.5 on the ctc and didn't have a huge amount in reserve.
BTW Jack and I are in the 65+ group in Boston Rick - is that where Fred is too?
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Post by jackarabit » January 24th, 2017, 12:21 am

Fred is 61 or was as of early January. 7:13 at Newburyport MA according to Rick's account.
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Post by Yankeerunner » January 24th, 2017, 11:17 am

lindsayh wrote:
I was about 2k+2.5 on the ctc and didn't have a huge amount in reserve.
BTW Jack and I are in the 65+ group in Boston Rick - is that where Fred is too?

Oops. Jack is correct. Fred is only 61 and will be in 'young 60s' heat. I knew that you guys were in the 65-69 group but somehow had a brain freeze. He and I are scheduled to do a 2K race on Saturday in North Andover, MA. Later in the ergatta he will be doing the Open 1 minute, and is licking his chops at having a chance to race a pure power event. I take almost a full minute to just to ramp up to racing speed and will therefore eschew that challenge.

Thanks for the info on the CTC. I'll give it a try on Thursday as a sharpening up for the Saturday race.
55-59: 1:33.5 3:19.2 6:55.7 18:22.0 2:47:26.5
60-64: 1:35.9 3:23.8 7:06.7 18:40.8 2:48:53.6
65-69: 1:38.6 3:31.9 7:19.2 19:26.6 3:02:06.0
70-74: 1:40.2 3:33.4 7:32.6 19:50.5 3:06:36.8
75-76: 1:43.9 3:47.7 7:50.2 20:51.3 3:13:55.7

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Post by Yankeerunner » January 26th, 2017, 10:42 am

Got the CTC done today, but not easily. I've been feeling fatigued as I near a peak for CRASH-Bs, and woke up thinking, "Blah!" Things didn't get any better while warming up and got worse on the first rep, making me wonder if I should just bail altogether. During the 4' rest I decided to plow through it at a slower pace and managed to finish it out, erratic as it was at 1:56.9, 1:58.9, 1:57.0 and 1:55.1. Turned out to be 'recent-2K-+3.'

I'll be taking a day off tomorrow to rest up for the Saturday race. Hopefully one day off will be sufficient to restock some energy reserves.

P.S. This CTC seems to be unpopular with the Forum Flyerettes. I fear that my boat will not leave the dock.
55-59: 1:33.5 3:19.2 6:55.7 18:22.0 2:47:26.5
60-64: 1:35.9 3:23.8 7:06.7 18:40.8 2:48:53.6
65-69: 1:38.6 3:31.9 7:19.2 19:26.6 3:02:06.0
70-74: 1:40.2 3:33.4 7:32.6 19:50.5 3:06:36.8
75-76: 1:43.9 3:47.7 7:50.2 20:51.3 3:13:55.7

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Post by hjs » January 26th, 2017, 12:27 pm

Yankeerunner wrote:Got the CTC done today, but not easily. I've been feeling fatigued as I near a peak for CRASH-Bs, and woke up thinking, "Blah!" Things didn't get any better while warming up and got worse on the first rep, making me wonder if I should just bail altogether. During the 4' rest I decided to plow through it at a slower pace and managed to finish it out, erratic as it was at 1:56.9, 1:58.9, 1:57.0 and 1:55.1. Turned out to be 'recent-2K-+3.'

I'll be taking a day off tomorrow to rest up for the Saturday race. Hopefully one day off will be sufficient to restock some energy reserves.

P.S. This CTC seems to be unpopular with the Forum Flyerettes. I fear that my boat will not leave the dock.
Rick we are getting old, woman don,t want us anymore :lol:

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Post by lindsayh » January 26th, 2017, 7:38 pm

hjs wrote: Rick we are getting old, woman don,t want us anymore
They might if you can a very fast minute like Henry!
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Post by hjs » January 27th, 2017, 4:50 am

lindsayh wrote:
hjs wrote: Rick we are getting old, woman don,t want us anymore
They might if you can a very fast minute like Henry!
Who knows :D , hoped for a bit more Lindsay, will try one more time fully free rate.

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Post by hjs » January 27th, 2017, 11:03 am

Just did the ctc, just walked a hour at forhand. And overall far from rested, do had no overly ambitious expectations.

4x4 pn 4 rest, free rate, drag 125 4854 138.8 ctc made that .9

1 1205 139.4 29
2 1207 139.2 29
3 1211 139.0 30
4 1226 137.8 31 faster last minute mostly.

Legs hurted a lot, lungs also not overly great, no slowdowns though. But nothing comfortable about it.

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Post by Yankeerunner » January 27th, 2017, 11:27 am

hjs wrote:
Rick we are getting old, woman don,t want us anymore :lol:
Sad, but true. :mrgreen:

I see that Jean has launched Boat #3. If one more woman can participate I might get off the dock yet. That is, if I don't get bumped out of Boat #4 before the end of the month. B)
55-59: 1:33.5 3:19.2 6:55.7 18:22.0 2:47:26.5
60-64: 1:35.9 3:23.8 7:06.7 18:40.8 2:48:53.6
65-69: 1:38.6 3:31.9 7:19.2 19:26.6 3:02:06.0
70-74: 1:40.2 3:33.4 7:32.6 19:50.5 3:06:36.8
75-76: 1:43.9 3:47.7 7:50.2 20:51.3 3:13:55.7

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Post by jackarabit » January 27th, 2017, 7:25 pm

The fair sex do tend to submit late in the month. Ladies, how about this month turning in enuf entries at the eleventh hour (31 Jan) to float all the eligible boats and have a surplus sufficient to launch an all girl aggregation? That would stir up some interest by both sexes in the team and indy points competition. Should take only an additional 8 to 10 F or f entries to increase the probability of such a result.
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Post by hjs » January 29th, 2017, 8:58 am

jackarabit wrote:The fair sex do tend to submit late in the month. Ladies, how about this month turning in enuf entries at the eleventh hour (31 Jan) to float all the eligible boats and have a surplus sufficient to launch an all girl aggregation? That would stir up some interest by both sexes in the team and indy points competition. Should take only an additional 8 to 10 F or f entries to increase the probability of such a result.
Good idea :D

Gave the min a last try, piss poor, rated up this time, but it yields me nothing. Rate was 47 45/45/51 but that only gave me 2 meters compared to rate 40 and nothing at all to rate 43.

3 attempts 377/40 379/43 379/47. So at lower rates I am faster, but am able to convert that to extra speed at higher rates.

Only excuse I have atm is I don,t train specific for speed, but still disappointing.

Need to come up with a solution for this.

Lindsay pulled a good 1 min I saw. Certainly given his training focus.

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