Ranger's training thread

[2 B a motofiller]

The first screen shot I'll post of my training is a FM @ 1:48, HR steady at 155 bpm.

I was going to criticize ranger for yet another projection based on nothing, but then I realized that this is something entirely different. I genuinely believe that this will be the first screen shot of his training he'll post; I don't believe he ever will post it, having been wrong about this sort of prediction for thousands of days now, but that doesn't make this statement false.

Paul: Would you please edit this so it makes sense (bold section)

Edit: Let me simplify it for you. Ranger is predicting he'll do A, B and C, and that A is the first thing he'll present. I too believe that he'll present A before he presents B and C. I just don't think he'll present A (and hence, by implication, B or C).

I proabably have the logic wrong but I understood Paul to be saying the following:

TSO has issued a compound statement: A --> B, where A = the first screen shot that I will post of my training and B = FM @ 1:48, HR steady at 155 bpm. Since A is false, in that TSO will never post a screenshot of a completed trianing regardless of FM, HM, 60', 30', 6K, 5K, 2K, or .5K, the compound statement is true. Nothing has been promised when A is not true.

[Byron Drachman]

Thurs Sept 14, 2006: When I am done with my distance raining (which, this time, is really just an exercise in learning to relax fully with my new technique), I will indeed do the HM and FM trials, and, yes, this will indeed indicate what I can row in the UT training bands--now, fully trained, with my new technique.

Oct 16, 2006: You'll soon see why. FM in 1:48, HM in 1:45--coming up soon, a product of this sort of training.

Oct 19, 2006: If this holds, and we will have to see if it does, because it seems too good to be true, (at the end of this racing season? next year?), if I work on distance rowing as a major focus, I might eventually be able to row a FM, 1:45 @ 24 spm.

Nov 26, 2006: Before EIRC, I think I will hit many of my targets, as many as I have time to concentrate on and do: 8 x 500m @ 1:32; 4 x 1K @ 1:35; 4 x 2K @ 1:38; 5K @ 1:39; 6K @ 1:40; 10K @ 1:42; 17K for 60min; HM @ 1:45; FM @ 1:48; etc. What targets I don't hit before EIRC, I will hit between EIRC and WIRC.

Nov 28, 2006: I am going to row a HM @ 1:45; a FM @ 1:48

Feb 20, 2007: Once I use my new stroke at all of the distances and am ready to race a 2K again, my racing will be consistent again--and quite a bit faster. I am just at stage 1 (stroking power and technique) in my training. Stage 2 (distance racing) coming up:
FM 1:48
HM 1:45
60min: 1:44
10K 1:42
30'r20: 1:46
6K: 1:40
5K: 1:39

March 2, 2007: FM, 1:48 @ 20 spm, I think, is in the bag. Just a matter of time (a month or so?), a little more training to get used to the distance.

March 21, 2007: First race, really, is a FM, in about three weeks or so.

March 29, 2007: I am doing a FM @ 1:48 in a month or so.

June 9, 2007: What seems to be in order now, at least occasionally, are FM rows, 1:47 @ 28 spm (10MPS), 95 df.

August 20, 2007: How about a FM, 1:48 @ 20 spm? Coming up!

September 19, 2007: Eventually, I will do a FM, 1:48 @ 19 spm.

November 26, 2007: Before long, I'll be doing a FM 1:48 @ 20 spm (14 SPI).

February 10, 2008: I will also get a lwt FM done this winter.

April 5, 2008: I am doing a FM trial at the end of the month. I'll do my FM trial at 22 spm.

April 30, 2008: As I train for a FM, 1:45 @ 22 spm, I will indeed step on those stones-- repeatedly. I thought I was only going to pull a FM @ 1:48. Now that 1:45 has become possible, the intermediate goals don't have to be races.

May 7, 2008: This month I will take a slap at the FM and 60min WRs for the 50s hwts.

December 20, 2008: I think I will pull a FM, 1:48 @ 24 spm (12 SPI), before New Years.

April 6, 2009: At the end of the month, I am going to try a FM, 1:48 @ 22 spm.

Dec 18, 2009: I'm lovin' 1:46 @ 26 spm, HR in and around 160 bpm. Relaxing stuff. Before this winter rowing season is done, I think I'll do it for a FM.

Dec 27, 2009: I'll race a FM over the next couple of weeks, before I go back to teaching on January 7th.

Feb 11, 2010: That means that within the month, I will row a FM @ 1:45 and 60min at 1:40.

March 24, 2010: To start off, I think I'll do a FM at 1:48.

March 30, 2010: Before the end of the month, I will do all of the races, from 500m to FM--all as a lwt.
I will do them IND_V and enter them in the 50s lwt rankings.

April 5, 2010: When the time comes, I'll be happy to give you the HRs on a FM, 1:48 @ 25 spm.
HR should be flat at 155 bpm.

April 17, 2010: I am prepared for distance trials, so the result should much more impressive, hopefully in line with my 2K goal: 6:16.

May 7, 2010: Distance trials are coming soon. They will tell the story.

May 15, 2010: A nice summer goal from now until September would be to keep pushing up my pre-dawn meters on the erg until I get to that FM, 1:45 @ 27 spm--just naturally.

May 15, 2010: I can do a FM with a HR of 155 bpm.

June 12, 2010: Over the next three months, I need to work my rowing, 1:48 @ 25 spm (11 SPI), into a FM, settling and stabilizing my heart rate at lower and lower levels, as I "groove" to the cadence.

July 14, 2010: I'll need to do a FM, 1:48 @ 22 spm (12.5 SPI). To do this, I will have to keep my HR below 155 bpm/75% HRR.

July 14, 2010: --snip-- But when I get the FM done, 1:48 @ 22 spm, then we'll know. --snip--We'll know the answer by September 1st.

July 28, 2010: I have never hit the wall rowing a FM. I don't even have to drink water along the way. You just pick a pace; hold it, and row.

September 16, 2010: For me, 1:48 @ 22 spm is UT2. --snip--UT2 is a FM heart rate.

Nov 9, 2010: Haven't done the FM yet, but I now row 1:48 at a low UT1, FM, heart rate, and so it I can do it whenever I bear down and give it a go, although, rowing at low drag, I now prefer 13 SPI/21 spm rather than 14.5 SPI/19 spm, as I did when I rowed at high drag. My most normal rate and pace combination for low rate rowing now is 1:46 @ 22 spm (13 SPI), just stroking naturally.

Nov 23, 2010: Over a FM, if I can indeed get there, 1:44 @ 24 spm is 10 seconds per 500m better than I could do back in 2002-2003.

Jan 11, 2011: I can row a FM with a HR of 160 bpm.

Jan 14, 2011: BTW, a FM, 1:45 @ 23 spm (13 SPI), would be two minutes faster than the Open lwt FM WR, which is right around 2:30.

Jan 21, 2011: A nice time to do a FM trial might be next week, right after I turn 60, so I can challenge Osterling's 60s hwt WR.

Feb 15, 2011: I'll test these things pretty soon, when I do my first FM trial this spring, rowing well (13 SPI) at low drag (119 df.) with my improved technique.

Feb 17, 2011: My first race will be a FM. If I do 1:48 for the FM, it will predict a 1:39

Feb 18, 2011: A month or so of double-session "Steamrollering" should get me plenty ready for FM and HM trials. Then I will get back to "Save a Horse, Ride a Cowboy" rowing at 26 spm and a threshold HR in order to prepare for 60min, 10K, and 30min trials. Then I will be ready for some AT training (e.g., 4 x 2K) to prepare for 5K and 6K trials. I think I should be able to get all of this training and racing in by the end of the indoor rowing season, April 30th. If I am successful in this training and racing, by April 30th, I should hold all of the 60s hwt WRs from 5K to a FM. Then, at the end of April, it might be interesting to do an at-home 2K trial to see if I can beat do better than Hendershott's 6:24. After that, all of my rowing will be OTW.

Feb 27, 2011: My stroke is now set. I no longer have to tamper with it. It's perfect. I just need to hold it steady and get fully used to it. When I am fully used to it, I'll do a continuous FM @ 1:48, and my erging dreams will come true. i'll also win the second half of my bet with Henry.

March 3, 2011: But I'm training for a FM, and when I am ready to race, I'll do that FM, and report the results.

March 5, 2011: BTW, re the discussion of FM rowing on the other threads, I can do a FM OTErg without eating and drinking at all.

March 5, 2011: I'll race a FM as soon as I am ready. If you are ready now, hey, just do it. I will probably train for a month or so more before I give it a go.

March 9, 2011: In just a short while, I will row a FM @ 1:48.

March 14, 2011: I am really moving into the final stages of my FM training now.

[ranger]

I was wondering: Is anybody on this thread doing any ambitious rowing these days? Or do we only talk about what we did long ago or hope to do someday?

Two hours with my HR flat at 155 bpm this morning.

Now, I will try to build that up to five hours (an ultra), 2.5 hours on the erg, 2.5 hours OTBike.

Then, I will be ready to race a FM.

Steady as she goes!

ranger

[lancs]

Great work as usual Byron..

I do wonder what TPO (The Pathological One) makes of a post like this, when he sees several years worth of his bullshit all collected in one quote? Is he embarrassed? I doubt it. The nature of his pathology dictates he lacks insight. I'm pretty certain that we'll be hearing the same rubbish in 5 years time; at which point his 2k time will be 7:20something and his weight around 90kg..

[lancs]

Now, in 2011, ten years later, I pull 1:48 pace at 23 spm, 12 SPI, 119 DF., a 4-to-1 ratio, and 155 bpm.

Go figure.

Yet you still can't row 1:48 pace at 23spm for 10k. I'm not sure you could manage 5k come to think of it.

Go figure.

[leadville]

Byron - kudos once again for detailing TDO (the Delusional One's) five plus years of mendacity. Thanks for the public service; whenever someone unfamiliar with rangerboy appears, we can ensure they will quickly be educated and thereby avoid the painful acclimatization others have been forced to suffer!

Good to hear you're back OTW - be safe out there!

[ranger]

That I can row 1:48 @ 155 bpm should be no surprise.

I suspect that most quality lightweights do.

For instance, that's right around the HR that Mike VB runs when he is pulling 1:48.

It's just that, for Mike, 155 bpm is AT, if not TR (95% HRR), while for me, it's middlin' UT1 (75% HRR).

Mike's maxHR is 163 bpm; mine is 190 bpm.

By and large, Mike and I row the same pace at the same HRs.

ranger

[Byron Drachman]

Hi Mike,
I did 20K OTW this morning. I was concentrating on keeping the arms straight and relaxed until half way through the body swing. Sound familiar?

All too familiar
You may have broken several ranger training thread rules, though:

1. Either you were rowing like "s" or you were racing your training.
2. You show no indication that you used non-existent levers
3. You hadn't finished unfinished business
4. You didn't take breaks often enough.

Hi Mike,

I did a perfect execution of 4. At 10K I stopped for hot coffee from my thermos and a homemade pumpkin roll. OMG--it was delicious.

Hi Leadville,

I dress like a cold water kayaker--PFD, dry top, dry pants, and stabilizers that are off the water but make it very unlikely to flip. You are very right to warn people about cold water. Anybody who chooses to row in cold water should watch this:

[ranger]

Well, finally, we are just a few weeks and one long row away from an end to all the negative jabber here.

Lordy.

What will you folks do with all of your pent up anxiety, shame, guilt, aggressiveness, etc., without a scapegoat to dump on?

Funny stuff.

ranger

[Tinpusher]

Two hours with my HR flat at 155 bpm this morning.

And what did the big numbers on the PM4 say while this was going on? 2:xx? No? Prove it.

That I can row 1:48 @ 155 bpm should be no surprise.

It would indeed be no surprise to have these numbers appear simultaneously on your monitor at some point. How long can you maintain both of these would be. Prove it.

Well, finally, we are just a few weeks and one long row away from an end to all the negative jabber here.

Finally? Finally? This will never end. You could end it all right now with a few screen shots of workouts you have already claimed to have completed. Unfortunately we can only conclude they do not show anything close to what you purport to be able to achieve. No? Prove it.

[ranger]

If you are a young rower, with a maxHR of 220 spm and a resting HR of 40 spm, 155 bpm is only 65% HRR.

Piece of cake.

Middlin' UT2

ranger

[ranger]

Prove it.

What's to prove with steady state rowing?

You just go along, steady state--same pace, same rate, same HR.

When you want to stop, you stop.

I now row 1:48 @ 155 bpm.

So, all I need to do is get _entirely_ used to running my HR at 155 bpm for 2.5 hours, and that's all she wrote.

I will have a FM @ 1:48.

It's a no-brainer.

Sure, pulling 1:48 for a FM is _impossible_ if middlin' UT1 for you is 130 spm, as it is with Mike VB.

But I don't have that problem at all.

ranger

[mikvan52]

Byron:
Yes!
Thanks for r-boy's greatest hits.

my pers' fave=>

July 28, 2010: I have never hit the wall rowing a FM. I don't even have to drink water along the way. You just pick a pace; hold it, and row.

This is the true genius of ranger: the trite (just row your pace) in combo w/the worst advice ever offered (do not rehydrate during long rows).

What a guy!
They'll never be a better erg-a-troll-ic...,,, plus jamais!!

[Citroen]

Two hours with my HR flat at 155 bpm this morning.

And what did the big numbers on the PM4 say while this was going on? 2:xx? No? Prove it.

If HR was flat then it started at 2:xx and ended at 2:yy (where yy is somewhat slower than xx). Because he can't row for two hours without some heart rate drift, nobody can. Fluid is lost, fluid loss means higher HR or slower pace to keep HR steady. It's HR drift that puts paid to 5K @ 1:44. Since he can't do 5K @ 1:44 he won't do a FM @ 1:44.

Does anyone know why Ranger lies about everything?

[ben990]

Thurs Sept 14, 2006: When I am done with my distance raining (which, this time, is really just an exercise in learning to relax fully with my new technique), I will indeed do the HM and FM trials, and, yes, this will indeed indicate what I can row in the UT training bands--now, fully trained, with my new technique.

Oct 16, 2006: You'll soon see why. FM in 1:48, HM in 1:45--coming up soon, a product of this sort of training.

Oct 19, 2006: If this holds, and we will have to see if it does, because it seems too good to be true, (at the end of this racing season? next year?), if I work on distance rowing as a major focus, I might eventually be able to row a FM, 1:45 @ 24 spm.

Nov 26, 2006: Before EIRC, I think I will hit many of my targets, as many as I have time to concentrate on and do: 8 x 500m @ 1:32; 4 x 1K @ 1:35; 4 x 2K @ 1:38; 5K @ 1:39; 6K @ 1:40; 10K @ 1:42; 17K for 60min; HM @ 1:45; FM @ 1:48; etc. What targets I don't hit before EIRC, I will hit between EIRC and WIRC.

Nov 28, 2006: I am going to row a HM @ 1:45; a FM @ 1:48

Feb 20, 2007: Once I use my new stroke at all of the distances and am ready to race a 2K again, my racing will be consistent again--and quite a bit faster. I am just at stage 1 (stroking power and technique) in my training. Stage 2 (distance racing) coming up:
FM 1:48
HM 1:45
60min: 1:44
10K 1:42
30'r20: 1:46
6K: 1:40
5K: 1:39

March 2, 2007: FM, 1:48 @ 20 spm, I think, is in the bag. Just a matter of time (a month or so?), a little more training to get used to the distance.

March 21, 2007: First race, really, is a FM, in about three weeks or so.

March 29, 2007: I am doing a FM @ 1:48 in a month or so.

June 9, 2007: What seems to be in order now, at least occasionally, are FM rows, 1:47 @ 28 spm (10MPS), 95 df.

August 20, 2007: How about a FM, 1:48 @ 20 spm? Coming up!

September 19, 2007: Eventually, I will do a FM, 1:48 @ 19 spm.

November 26, 2007: Before long, I'll be doing a FM 1:48 @ 20 spm (14 SPI).

February 10, 2008: I will also get a lwt FM done this winter.

April 5, 2008: I am doing a FM trial at the end of the month. I'll do my FM trial at 22 spm.

April 30, 2008: As I train for a FM, 1:45 @ 22 spm, I will indeed step on those stones-- repeatedly. I thought I was only going to pull a FM @ 1:48. Now that 1:45 has become possible, the intermediate goals don't have to be races.

May 7, 2008: This month I will take a slap at the FM and 60min WRs for the 50s hwts.

December 20, 2008: I think I will pull a FM, 1:48 @ 24 spm (12 SPI), before New Years.

April 6, 2009: At the end of the month, I am going to try a FM, 1:48 @ 22 spm.

Dec 18, 2009: I'm lovin' 1:46 @ 26 spm, HR in and around 160 bpm. Relaxing stuff. Before this winter rowing season is done, I think I'll do it for a FM.

Dec 27, 2009: I'll race a FM over the next couple of weeks, before I go back to teaching on January 7th.

Feb 11, 2010: That means that within the month, I will row a FM @ 1:45 and 60min at 1:40.

March 24, 2010: To start off, I think I'll do a FM at 1:48.

March 30, 2010: Before the end of the month, I will do all of the races, from 500m to FM--all as a lwt.
I will do them IND_V and enter them in the 50s lwt rankings.

April 5, 2010: When the time comes, I'll be happy to give you the HRs on a FM, 1:48 @ 25 spm.
HR should be flat at 155 bpm.

April 17, 2010: I am prepared for distance trials, so the result should much more impressive, hopefully in line with my 2K goal: 6:16.

May 7, 2010: Distance trials are coming soon. They will tell the story.

May 15, 2010: A nice summer goal from now until September would be to keep pushing up my pre-dawn meters on the erg until I get to that FM, 1:45 @ 27 spm--just naturally.

May 15, 2010: I can do a FM with a HR of 155 bpm.

June 12, 2010: Over the next three months, I need to work my rowing, 1:48 @ 25 spm (11 SPI), into a FM, settling and stabilizing my heart rate at lower and lower levels, as I "groove" to the cadence.

July 14, 2010: I'll need to do a FM, 1:48 @ 22 spm (12.5 SPI). To do this, I will have to keep my HR below 155 bpm/75% HRR.

July 14, 2010: --snip-- But when I get the FM done, 1:48 @ 22 spm, then we'll know. --snip--We'll know the answer by September 1st.

July 28, 2010: I have never hit the wall rowing a FM. I don't even have to drink water along the way. You just pick a pace; hold it, and row.

September 16, 2010: For me, 1:48 @ 22 spm is UT2. --snip--UT2 is a FM heart rate.

Nov 9, 2010: Haven't done the FM yet, but I now row 1:48 at a low UT1, FM, heart rate, and so it I can do it whenever I bear down and give it a go, although, rowing at low drag, I now prefer 13 SPI/21 spm rather than 14.5 SPI/19 spm, as I did when I rowed at high drag. My most normal rate and pace combination for low rate rowing now is 1:46 @ 22 spm (13 SPI), just stroking naturally.

Nov 23, 2010: Over a FM, if I can indeed get there, 1:44 @ 24 spm is 10 seconds per 500m better than I could do back in 2002-2003.

Jan 11, 2011: I can row a FM with a HR of 160 bpm.

Jan 14, 2011: BTW, a FM, 1:45 @ 23 spm (13 SPI), would be two minutes faster than the Open lwt FM WR, which is right around 2:30.

Jan 21, 2011: A nice time to do a FM trial might be next week, right after I turn 60, so I can challenge Osterling's 60s hwt WR.

Feb 15, 2011: I'll test these things pretty soon, when I do my first FM trial this spring, rowing well (13 SPI) at low drag (119 df.) with my improved technique.

Feb 17, 2011: My first race will be a FM. If I do 1:48 for the FM, it will predict a 1:39

Feb 18, 2011: A month or so of double-session "Steamrollering" should get me plenty ready for FM and HM trials. Then I will get back to "Save a Horse, Ride a Cowboy" rowing at 26 spm and a threshold HR in order to prepare for 60min, 10K, and 30min trials. Then I will be ready for some AT training (e.g., 4 x 2K) to prepare for 5K and 6K trials. I think I should be able to get all of this training and racing in by the end of the indoor rowing season, April 30th. If I am successful in this training and racing, by April 30th, I should hold all of the 60s hwt WRs from 5K to a FM. Then, at the end of April, it might be interesting to do an at-home 2K trial to see if I can beat do better than Hendershott's 6:24. After that, all of my rowing will be OTW.

Feb 27, 2011: My stroke is now set. I no longer have to tamper with it. It's perfect. I just need to hold it steady and get fully used to it. When I am fully used to it, I'll do a continuous FM @ 1:48, and my erging dreams will come true. i'll also win the second half of my bet with Henry.

March 3, 2011: But I'm training for a FM, and when I am ready to race, I'll do that FM, and report the results.

March 5, 2011: BTW, re the discussion of FM rowing on the other threads, I can do a FM OTErg without eating and drinking at all.

March 5, 2011: I'll race a FM as soon as I am ready. If you are ready now, hey, just do it. I will probably train for a month or so more before I give it a go.

March 9, 2011: In just a short while, I will row a FM @ 1:48.

March 14, 2011: I am really moving into the final stages of my FM training now.

ranger,

Can you comment on the above?

You come across as a lyin' sack of pathetic old man crap. Nice.

I'm thinking on your tombstone it is going to say "He planned on doing a FM real soon."