Age / Height / 2k results

[gregsmith01748]

Because I banged out the plots in 5 minutes. I just wanted to get a taste for the data.

I'll redo the analysis when I have a bit higher response rate. Right now, I've got about 160 responses.

[JerekKruger]

I just filled it in. I actually filled it in for last season since I haven't done much at all this season (age adjusted accordingly). Will be very interesting to see the results.

[Cyclingman1]

Well, there is no doubt that rowing performance for men begins to rapidly decline in one's fifties and accelerates in one' sixties regardless of weight. These graphs assume that fitness is a constant. For any one person, they may not be accurate. A couch potato at age 60 will be far faster at 65 if he or she trains. But a highly trained person at 60 will undoubtedly slow over the next decade. There are no examples of a highly ranked [ranking being equivalent to fitness] rower at age 60 not slowing quite a bit at age 69, even if ranking [fitness] remains the same. Have not researched 40s and 50s. Perhaps there are some who lose only a few seconds over a decade.

[Remo]

I pulled 6.14 around 30. And 6.22 just shy of 50....

Impressive

[Cyclingman1]

I pulled 6.14 around 30. And 6.22 just shy of 50....

Impressive

Definitely impressive.
WRs: 32: 5:36.6; 50: 6:01.7. A delta of -25.1s or -19% W.
Henry: 402W/428W = 94%. Much less decline than predicted. But the question then becomes how fit and trained at each age?
Waiting for 55 and 60 results.

[hjs]

I pulled 6.14 around 30. And 6.22 just shy of 50....

Impressive

Definitely impressive.
WRs: 32: 5:36.6; 50: 6:01.7. A delta of -25.1s or -19% W.
Henry: 402W/428W = 94%. Much less decline than predicted. But the question then becomes how fit and trained at each age?
Waiting for 55 and 60 results.

Indeed context. My pb was done with 3 sessions a week, roughly 15/20k a week. That later time was relative better trained. 5/6 sessions a week. Around 60k

And never been injury free, at the moment certainly not so. How the decline will go? Who knows? Also need to have/find the motivation to train/race.

[Keyboardstrokes]

Hey all,

I am 5’4 and weigh 136. I’ve been rowing for a couple weeks now and did a 2K in 6:59 and a 5K at 1:55 pace. I am shorter than almost everybody on this board, so just curious what to make of these times and target goals for my frame. Not interested in competion - just self-betterment.

[G-dub]

Henry is the man - straight up

[gregsmith01748]

Here's the analysis...

https://analytics.rowsandall.com/2018/1 ... wers-tall/

Two conclusions:
1. The trend is clear that taller rowers are faster, a rule of thumb is a second off the split for every inch of height for men, closer to 1/2 sec for women.
2. There is huge variation from person to person at each height, so most people can overcome moderate height differences because of good training or physiology.

[Dangerscouse]

Hey all,

I am 5’4 and weigh 136. I’ve been rowing for a couple weeks now and did a 2K in 6:59 and a 5K at 1:55 pace. I am shorter than almost everybody on this board, so just curious what to make of these times and target goals for my frame. Not interested in competion - just self-betterment.

There are always outliers who defy expectations. You sound like you have very good genetics so it's difficult to guess as 'usually' you are already exceeding what the research predicts. That is a great 2k for your weight never mind your height.

I think your 5k can be better if you can pull a sub 7 2k, as it roughly works on the basis that your 5k should be + 6 or 7 secs on your 2k, so a 1:51/52 5k should be your target.

Henry is the man - straight up

Agreed, and he never brags about it

[Remo]

Impressive

Definitely impressive.
WRs: 32: 5:36.6; 50: 6:01.7. A delta of -25.1s or -19% W.
Henry: 402W/428W = 94%. Much less decline than predicted. But the question then becomes how fit and trained at each age?
Waiting for 55 and 60 results.

Indeed context. My pb was done with 3 sessions a week, roughly 15/20k a week. That later time was relative better trained. 5/6 sessions a week. Around 60k

And never been injury free, at the moment certainly not so. How the decline will go? Who knows? Also need to have/find the motivation to train/race.

Henry: Jim just compared you to two of the biggest outliers in erging history.

Jim: Using Rob Waddell and Andrew Benko as statistics is just not fair as they are two of the biggest outlier in erging history.

Henry: I rowed a very similar piece to you 6:14 on similar training when I was in my early 30s. I hadn't rowed for a couple of years and was getting in shape for some on the water masters racing with my friends. And having been around rowing for a long time, I also know how fast that 6:22 at 50 is. I have a friend who has done it. Got to be tough and fit to do it.

I have also had injuries that interfered with rowing over the past several decades (back and shoulders mostly). Seem to be doing well now. Hope that your maladies get better too.

[Cyclingman1]

Henry: Jim just compared you to two of the biggest outliers in erging history.

Jim: Using Rob Waddell and Andrew Benko as statistics is just not fair as they are two of the biggest outlier in erging history.

Well, not exactly. Actually, I indicated that Henry has had less drop off than predicted by the WR times at 30 and 50. Pretty sure that is a positive.

[hobbit]

I am 5’4 and weigh 136. I’ve been rowing for a couple weeks now and did a 2K in 6:59 and a 5K at 1:55 pace. I am shorter than almost everybody on this board, so just curious what to make of these times and target goals for my frame. Not interested in competion - just self-betterment.

Wow. Great performance. Thanks for destroying the idea that I was slow because of my modest height . We're the same size, but not the same erger. I'm dreaming about getting under 8 min for 2k, never mind 7.

[lindsayh]

I am 5’4 and weigh 136. I’ve been rowing for a couple weeks now and did a 2K in 6:59 and a 5K at 1:55 pace. I am shorter than almost everybody on this board, so just curious what to make of these times and target goals for my frame. Not interested in competion - just self-betterment.

Wow. Great performance. Thanks for destroying the idea that I was slow because of my modest height . We're the same size, but not the same erger. I'm dreaming about getting under 8 min for 2k, never mind 7.

I suspect @keyboardstrokes is just playing games with us - best ignored unless more engagement.

[hjs]

Henry: Jim just compared you to two of the biggest outliers in erging history.

Jim: Using Rob Waddell and Andrew Benko as statistics is just not fair as they are two of the biggest outlier in erging history.

Well, not exactly. Actually, I indicated that Henry has had less drop off than predicted by the WR times at 30 and 50. Pretty sure that is a positive.

I got that, and for myself, Waddel and Benko can,t be compared, I look in the first place at the overall records, those guys who pull sub 5.40 or the lightweights who pull sub6. Don,t think Benko could have been in that League.

Think we are talking about two things, absolute peak performance and performance duration. Not that I have a clear idea about the relation between the two. There are all sorts of factors.

For myself, I do know that I am not have natural super endurance, and that I am not supertrainable. I tend to break down pretty soon. While I see others keep on improving.
The dropoff is something different, thats indeed, for me below average, I have two sides in me I sometimes think. On the one side my mothers side, more athletic but a bit fragile, and from my fathers side a sort of touchness.
But those are just thoughts, I have always been active all my life, give or take a few years and thise layoffs where forced due to accidents.