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DavidA
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by DavidA » February 17th, 2025, 4:56 pm
piggydwarf wrote: ↑February 15th, 2025, 10:13 am
Round of applause for Elizabeth's new female marathon rowing world record in 2:43:42 (1:56.3/500)
Amazing!
Huge congratulations to her.
David
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JBKimmel
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by JBKimmel » February 22nd, 2025, 4:39 pm
Hey everyone - I’m an aspiring endurance indoor rower and excited to find this thread. I worked my way up to rowing a marathon in 2020 and then started having fatigue and other health issues that thwarted my indoor rowing and turned out to be metastatic neuroendocrine cancer. After treatment and surgery, I’m finally starting to feel like my old self again (albeit with cancer cells still floating around) and am now rebuilding my rowing practice. I rowed a 30k (4 x 7500m with 1:00 in between) yesterday and it felt good! Average 2:14.5 splits, 17 spm, 127 heart rate. And I’m aiming to row my second marathon on May 2 - five years after my first. We’ll see how my health holds up this year and beyond but I’d also like to train for a 100k this October (shortly after I turn 55), and then who knows. I know not to go too hard too fast but also want to make up for lost time now that I actually feel strong again. Best to all of you.
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by ahooton » March 3rd, 2025, 2:16 pm
Good luck JB. Looking forward to hearing how you get on.
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2k - 6:36.5
5k - 17:35
6k - 21:43
10k - 37:09
30 mins-8179
1hr - 16058m
HM - 1:21.44
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by Dangerscouse » March 3rd, 2025, 3:04 pm
JBKimmel wrote: ↑February 22nd, 2025, 4:39 pm
Hey everyone - I’m an aspiring endurance indoor rower and excited to find this thread. I worked my way up to rowing a marathon in 2020 and then started having fatigue and other health issues that thwarted my indoor rowing and turned out to be metastatic neuroendocrine cancer. After treatment and surgery, I’m finally starting to feel like my old self again (albeit with cancer cells still floating around) and am now rebuilding my rowing practice. I rowed a 30k (4 x 7500m with 1:00 in between) yesterday and it felt good! Average 2:14.5 splits, 17 spm, 127 heart rate. And I’m aiming to row my second marathon on May 2 - five years after my first. We’ll see how my health holds up this year and beyond but I’d also like to train for a 100k this October (shortly after I turn 55), and then who knows. I know not to go too hard too fast but also want to make up for lost time now that I actually feel strong again. Best to all of you.
Inspiring story and best of luck with it all.
51 HWT; 6' 4"; 1k= 3:09; 2k= 6:36; 5k= 17:19; 6k= 20:47; 10k= 35:46 30mins= 8,488m 60mins= 16,618m HM= 1:16.47; FM= 2:40:41; 50k= 3:16:09; 100k= 7:52:44; 12hrs = 153km
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by Sakly » March 3rd, 2025, 5:55 pm
JBKimmel wrote: ↑February 22nd, 2025, 4:39 pm
Hey everyone - I’m an aspiring endurance indoor rower and excited to find this thread. I worked my way up to rowing a marathon in 2020 and then started having fatigue and other health issues that thwarted my indoor rowing and turned out to be metastatic neuroendocrine cancer. After treatment and surgery, I’m finally starting to feel like my old self again (albeit with cancer cells still floating around) and am now rebuilding my rowing practice. I rowed a 30k (4 x 7500m with 1:00 in between) yesterday and it felt good! Average 2:14.5 splits, 17 spm, 127 heart rate. And I’m aiming to row my second marathon on May 2 - five years after my first. We’ll see how my health holds up this year and beyond but I’d also like to train for a 100k this October (shortly after I turn 55), and then who knows. I know not to go too hard too fast but also want to make up for lost time now that I actually feel strong again. Best to all of you.
Wow, great targets building back from these health issues!
Good luck with it and let us know how the journey goes

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1': 358m
4': 1217m
30'r20: 8068m
30': 8,283m
60': 16,222m
100m: 0:15.9
500m: 1:26.0
1k: 3:07.8
2k: 6:37.1
5k: 17:26.2
6k: 21:03.5
10k: 36:01.5
HM: 1:18:40.1
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piggydwarf
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by piggydwarf » March 4th, 2025, 9:06 am
Round of applause for the insane tandem of Elizabeth Gilmore and Cam Wharram: 24 hour mixed gender record @ 366,335m...1:57.9 avg, pure ridiculousness!
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by Sakly » March 4th, 2025, 9:40 am
piggydwarf wrote: ↑March 4th, 2025, 9:06 am
Round of applause for the insane tandem of Elizabeth Gilmore and Cam Wharram: 24 hour mixed gender record @ 366,335m...1:57.9 avg, pure ridiculousness!

Wow, stunning result!
Male - '80 - 82kg - 177cm - Start rowErg Jan 2022
1': 358m
4': 1217m
30'r20: 8068m
30': 8,283m
60': 16,222m
100m: 0:15.9
500m: 1:26.0
1k: 3:07.8
2k: 6:37.1
5k: 17:26.2
6k: 21:03.5
10k: 36:01.5
HM: 1:18:40.1
FM: 2:47:07.0
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DavidA
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by DavidA » March 5th, 2025, 4:19 pm
piggydwarf wrote: ↑March 4th, 2025, 9:06 am
Round of applause for the insane tandem of Elizabeth Gilmore and Cam Wharram: 24 hour mixed gender record @ 366,335m...1:57.9 avg, pure ridiculousness!
Wow!
Congratulations!
Just amazing!
David
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iain
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by iain » May 6th, 2025, 6:14 am
Apologies if I have missed it, but what are people's experience of the pace difference between TTs at FM and 50k? Given that few all out 50ks are done, I am not sure how comparable the performances at both are where both are in PBs. So while I have done a dozen or more 50ks in preparation for Ultra challenges, I can only find 3 hard attempts in my logbook including the one done yesterday and one of those was a disaster slowing down substantially for final 30%.
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by Dangerscouse » May 6th, 2025, 6:53 am
iain wrote: ↑May 6th, 2025, 6:14 am
Apologies if I have missed it, but what are people's experience of the pace difference between TTs at FM and 50k? Given that few all out 50ks are done, I am not sure how comparable the performances at both are where both are in PBs. So while I have done a dozen or more 50ks in preparation for Ultra challenges, I can only find 3 hard attempts in my logbook including the one done yesterday and one of those was a disaster slowing down substantially for final 30%.
I've just checked and there's a three second difference between my best 50k and FM. I'd probably say that both were done as TTs, and FWIW, I speeded up for the last 5k by 2.5 seconds.
Is that any help? How did it go yesterday?
51 HWT; 6' 4"; 1k= 3:09; 2k= 6:36; 5k= 17:19; 6k= 20:47; 10k= 35:46 30mins= 8,488m 60mins= 16,618m HM= 1:16.47; FM= 2:40:41; 50k= 3:16:09; 100k= 7:52:44; 12hrs = 153km
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by iain » May 6th, 2025, 7:10 am
Thanks Stu. I was intending a 90% effort after a similar level effort HM on Saturday with day off (just an hour's steady walking) on Sunday. Unfortunately had unintended break for a little over a minute 6k in with no time to restart. As a result I was in catch up mode from then on. Feeling it 1/3 of the way through. Managed to keep going to FM then slowed a bit before picking up the last 5k (although nothing left for a fast finish) details:
https://www.freespiritsrowing.com/forum ... start=9975
In short it hurt and was the best I could manage on the day (except for the break), although my legs and back/breathing were still feeling the HM the night before, felt Ok at the start so I am assuming that this had little effect and wondering what is an appropriate pacing for an FM next weekend.
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by Dangerscouse » May 6th, 2025, 1:12 pm
iain wrote: ↑May 6th, 2025, 7:10 am
I am assuming that this had little effect and wondering what is an appropriate pacing for an FM next weekend.
Ah, I see. I'm really not sure tbh mate. If you asked me five years ago, I'd have a totally different answer to what I'd expect today, but to make it a bit more complicated, I've not done anything really long in a few years, so I've got no recent experience.
51 HWT; 6' 4"; 1k= 3:09; 2k= 6:36; 5k= 17:19; 6k= 20:47; 10k= 35:46 30mins= 8,488m 60mins= 16,618m HM= 1:16.47; FM= 2:40:41; 50k= 3:16:09; 100k= 7:52:44; 12hrs = 153km
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by iain » May 13th, 2025, 9:08 am
iain wrote: ↑May 6th, 2025, 7:10 am
I am assuming that this had little effect and wondering what is an appropriate pacing for an FM next weekend.
Just in case it is useful to others (although I appreciate there will be wide variations), I was 2S/500m quicker on the FM, although 0.7S of that was because I didn't need to take an early loo stop. RPE was a little lower, but I doubt this did more than negate the lack of the stop. Basically rowed 1S/min faster throughout.
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