Ranger's training thread

[aharmer]

Well played on the excuse for not showing your video. A new and creative way to not show a damn thing. I wonder if you'd be man enough to snap a photo of your PM4 memory showing the 500m piece. No video to scrutinize, simply some proof that you did the piece. I don't believe for one second that you completed the 500m 1:34/32 this morning.

[hjs]

it's about getting info from one to another

Initially, at least, the info that is needed to make the point about the maximal efficiency of perfectly regular stroking is a video of a PM4 with someone, anyone, just stroking naturally, doing a race pace 500m @ 10MPS, with flat splits across, say, each 100m, and across the 500m as a whole, but with strokes, as they come one after another, that don't vary a couple of spms or seconds per 500m, perhaps don't vary at all, with the monitor on the force curve, and with heart rate included.

Why?

Because if it turns out that no one at all rows this way, it might be pretty hard to claim that this is the most efficient way to row.

If it is the most efficient way to row, why does no one do it?

ranger

Don't you realise you are talking to yourself

Placing a piece of a quote out of contect is also very mature

[mikvan52]

I don't believe for one second that you completed the 500m 1:34/32 this morning.

Ok, children, let's vote.

Who here thinks ranger is lying again?



Well, it seems he's still popular with the ladies...
Perhaps he should train to be a female lightweight?
A few hormones and presto! =>man-boobs avec comb-over

[ranger]

A new and creative way to not show a damn thing.

I didn't say I wasn't going to show a 500m, 1:34 @ 32 spm.

At the moment, I will be happy to show these things, now and into the future, if the reaction to them is reasonable.

I don't find the reaction that a race pace 500m @ 10 MPS is somehow poorly rowed if it doesn't have identical strokes a reasonable response, though.

Why?

No one rows that way.

It is easy to show otherwise, if indeed most people do race pace with identical strokes.

A race pace 500m @ 10 MPS is not hard to do at all.

It is not a 500m trial.

It is just slightly AT, at most.

So, if good rowing involves identical stroking, not just even pacing, all you have to do is move along at race pace and 10 MPS and give me 50 identical strokes (or heck, anything even close) as they are displayed on the monitor in terms of rate and pace.

ranger

[mikvan52]

I didn't say I wasn't going to show a 500m, 1:34 @ 32 spm.

At the moment, I will be happy to show these things, now and into the future, if the reaction to them is reasonable.

Princess ranger has spoken.
If, at some time, limited to a moment, in the future, Ms rangey expects a reasonable reaction, then, and only then, will he deign to show (something)

Rich: Even Shrinking Violet, sylph of the shy, doesn't buy this..



you are pathetic...

[ranger]

Fast rowers attempt to row fast.

Sure.

That's a given.

But if no fast rowers use identical strokes even though they all attempt to go fast, and varied stroking slows you down, what explains the varied stroking?

Accident?

Lack of skill?

Human limitation?

An unconscious, masochistic desire to go slow and lose?

ranger

[mikvan52]

Fast rowers attempt to row fast.

Sure.

That's a given.

But if no fast rowers use identical strokes, but all fast rowers attempt to row fast, what explains the varied stroking?

Accident?

Lack of skill?

Human limitation?

An unconscious, masochistic desire to go slow and lose?

ranger

Hey, whack-job!
What would you know about being fast these days? You couldn't even reel-off a 1:34 500m and post it it with all the details.
I do hope your body holds it together long enough for Roy to dismantle your bragging ways at CRASH-Bs next year.
You'll have to face "The Viking" too... He's 11 seconds faster than you this year.
Then there's 2013... lucky 13.. when there's a prospect of a 4-way mtg!...==> Brook, Cureton, Simonsen, van Beuren...

As Henry (hjs) said... better try for the record books in '11... or you date with destiny will expire...
If you do 1/2 the training you say you do, you deserve a shot a the record books...

Keep the faith you lovable old, comatose - maso-desirous, endorphin freak.

[MRapp]

Again, I didn't ask to see your video. I would like to see the memory line from your pm4 which was generated while you shot the video. There is no stroke data to criticize with one line of data. It should read date, time, rate, and HR all in one line. That's it. A screenshot. Nothing more. Could there possibly be any reason not to show this, other than the fact that you didn't do it?

[macroth]

He Ewen, you can show this: http://www.aviron-indoor.fr/resultats/

You race in Paris, not 17 strokes, but a full 2k race, you cruised around 1.38 most of your meters

Great sprint in that one. But then having that much left at the end might mean that it would have been more efficient to have cruised at 1:37 or even 1:36 during the bulk of the race.

Bob S.

Absolutely. But I didn't have enough of a training base and enough points of reference, prior to that race, to be confident going out at 1:37 or 1:36. 1:38 felt relatively easy, but I didn't dare go faster.

[macroth]

Fast rowers attempt to row fast.

Sure.

That's a given.

But if no fast rowers use identical strokes even though they all attempt to go fast, and varied stroking slows you down, what explains the varied stroking?

Accident?

Lack of skill?

Human limitation?

An unconscious, masochistic desire to go slow and lose?

ranger

Gee, there's a thought. Do you realize that you're the only one going on and on, and on, and on about someone having to pull 100% identical strokes for a full piece? Are you unable to distinguish theory from its best possible practical application? Are you really that stupid? I think you are.

[PaulH]

I didn't say I wasn't going to show a 500m, 1:34 @ 32 spm.

At the moment, I will be happy to show these things, now and into the future, if the reaction to them is reasonable.

I don't find the reaction that a race pace 500m @ 10 MPS is somehow poorly rowed if it doesn't have identical strokes a reasonable response, though.

Good, because nobody has said that such a piece is "poorly rowed" and I challenge you to find the quote where somebody did. So, no reason not to show it right now.

[PaulH]

Fast rowers attempt to row fast.

Sure.

That's a given.

But if no fast rowers use identical strokes even though they all attempt to go fast, and varied stroking slows you down, what explains the varied stroking?

Accident?

Lack of skill?

Human limitation?

An unconscious, masochistic desire to go slow and lose?

ranger

No, two things:

1. As macroth says, just because it's the ideal doesn't mean it can be achieved every time.

2. Nobody is saying you should use identical strokes, and I challenge you to find the quote where someone (except you) did. You can vary the stroke in any way you wish. Just try to keep as close to a steady rate and split as possible, because it's more efficient.

[mrfit]

Whew

They really sped up the ranger-go-round today!

[snowleopard]

At the moment, I will be happy to show these things, now and into the future, if the reaction to them is reasonable.

This is just word salad.

[JohnBove]

Human efficiency and effectiveness isn't a matter of physics.

We are primarily biological, psychological, social, and aesthetic creatures, especially when it comes to effective and efficient performance.

We are only peripherally physical.

Biology is chemistry and chemistry is physics, you know-nothing jackass. And saying humans are "peripherally physical" is a comment utterly devoid of meaning. Or maybe I'm wrong: what does "peripherally physical" mean? Do explain.

You welshing piece of shit.