Ranger's training thread

[hjs]

Of course, like Roy's, Mike C.'s record has always been soft, too.



That's a _fact_.

ranger

You must be sober, this is half funny to be honoust

[ranger]

That means that Matthias is now where I was in 2003.

So, the next step for him is to figure out how he can train to get a dozen seconds better by the time he is 50.

As in the case of 6:16 and Hendershott's 60s hwt WR of 6:24, that 6:05 would break Andy Ripley's long-standing 50s hwt WR.

Good luck to him!

ranger

[hjs]

That means that Matthias is now where I was in 2003.

So, the next step for him is to figure out how he can train to get a dozen seconds better by the time he is 50.

As in the case of 6:16 and Hendershott's 60s hwt WR of 6:24, that 6:05 would break Andy Ripley's long-standing 50s hwt WR.

Good luck to him!

ranger

I was wrong, you are boozed up big time again

[aharmer]

We all know the FM attempt will happen whenever your internal clock tells you it's time. However, I think you owe the loyal following one thing. When you know it's time, you should give a very specific date and time that the historic event will take place, and follow three hours later with a screenshot regardless what the end result shows. After all this bravado it would be cowardly to attempt the piece and then simply not tell us about the attempt if it shows 1:55 or 1:58 instead of 1:48. Enjoy the kudos if you succeed, endure the criticism if you fail.

[PaulH]

The first screen shot I'll post of my training is a FM @ 1:48, HR steady at 155 bpm.

I was going to criticize ranger for yet another projection based on nothing, but then I realized that this is something entirely different. I genuinely believe that this will be the first screen shot of his training he'll post; I don't believe he ever will post it, having been wrong about this sort of prediction for thousands of days now, but that doesn't make this statement false.

[ranger]

We all know the FM attempt will happen whenever your internal clock tells you it's time. However, I think you owe the loyal following one thing. When you know it's time, you should give a very specific date and time that the historic event will take place, and follow three hours later with a screenshot regardless what the end result shows. After all this bravado it would be cowardly to attempt the piece and then simply not tell us about the attempt if it shows 1:55 or 1:58 instead of 1:48. Enjoy the kudos if you succeed, endure the criticism if you fail.

I can't imagine how a FM trial in rowing can "fail."

You just hold a middlin' UT1 HR (for my, 155 bpm) for 2.5 hours.

The burden of the race is thrown back on training.

You just have to do enough work in training from day to day so that the 2.5 hours of continuous work you need to do in the trial is no big deal.

That's what I'll do.

One trial doesn't need to be the end of it, either.

After the first trial (or second, or third, etc.), if I think I can do better, I'll just keep trying.

Each race has certain sorts of strategic issues associated with it--pacing, rating, etc.

A FM can have further complications (e.g., drinking, temperature, time of day, etc.).

ranger

[ranger]

I was wrong, you are boozed up big time again

After I broke the 50s lwt WR at WIRC 2003 (6:30), I rowed strapless at 20 spm and 110 df. for six months, working on my leg drive.

Then, in the fall, I put the drag back up, sharpened, and broke my own WR, again and again, in two consecutive races, a USIRT trial (6:29) and BIRC (6:28), lowering my own WR another second on each row, becoming the only male WR-holder 40-70 to ever improve after setting a WR.

Then I put myself through five years of work on technique and stroking power more generally, pulling just about as hard as I could at low rates over short intervals at high drag (RWBs) while correcting various faults of form, increasing my stroking power 3 SPI from 10 SPI to 13 SPI.

When I was 56 years old, I demonstrated this increased stroking power with a sub-6:30 2K @ 12 SPI, without even preparing for it, and 500r30 @ 1:30 (16 SPI), 1Kr24 @ 1:38 (15.5 SPI), and 2Kr20 @ 1:42.5 (16.5 SPI).

I also learned to row OTW.

Then I raised the rate and lowered the drag to 120 df., working on efficiency--rhythmicity, length, posture, footwork, angles of leverage, recoveries, etc., now at high ratios (4-to-1, etc.) and 12 SPI, trading some rate for pace, building toward distance trials.

That's where I am now.

My goal for 2K is 6:16, 1:34 @ 35 spm (12 SPI), at 60.

My first distance trial, a FM, 1:48 @ 23-25 spm (11 SPI-12 SPI, 4-to-1 ratio, 119 df.), will predict just that.

My FM pb, from back in 2003, when I pulled 6:28 for 2K, is 1:54/2:40.

ranger

[hjs]

removed for misattributed quote

[hjs]

Although I won't make it a habit but I will make dangy's day..............


Yesterday Matthias Auer broke Mike C record. It is now 6.17.4, it was rowed at the E-Cup in Frankfurt-Fechenheim. Matthias just turned 40 a week afer crash, so he could not do it there.
Last year he also broke the 30/40 marathon record.
He is a otw rower/erger who almost does no speedwork, he is a ferm believer is long medium fast work.
He also doesn't do low rate work.



Very well done Matthias, congrats!

[ranger]

The other day, my hour OTBike at 165 bpm was a mistake, especially for a cross-training routine.

I felt the effects the next day. I couldn't row. My legs were tired.

Stop the presses ... what happened to mr. "may training never makes me stale"??? You recently said you never miss a day except when life gets in the way ... and here is information that refutes that (surprise)!

What day did this unprecendented event happen?!

JimR

Tiredness and staleness are entirely different.

When you make yourself stale, you repeatedly ignore the feedback from your body that you need to rest until your body no longer responds to rest, even when you provide it.

The only solution for staleness, as with the only solution for illness and injury, is an extended break from training altogether until your body recovers.

I am not stale.

I was just tired and had to rest for a day.

After a day's rest, I was fine and could row again.

I learned a lesson.

I might be able to row day after day at 165 bpm, but I can't cross-train at that level, too, after erging that hard.

That's too much.

Today, I returned to riding my bike at 155 bpm.

ranger

[mikvan52]

The first screen shot I'll post of my training is a FM @ 1:48, HR steady at 155 bpm.

I was going to criticize ranger for yet another projection based on nothing, but then I realized that this is something entirely different. I genuinely believe that this will be the first screen shot of his training he'll post; I don't believe he ever will post it, having been wrong about this sort of prediction for thousands of days now, but that doesn't make this statement false.

Paul: Would you please edit this so it makes sense (bold section)

Edit: Let me simplify it for you. Ranger is predicting he'll do A, B and C, and that A is the first thing he'll present. I too believe that he'll present A before he presents B and C. I just don't think he'll present A (and hence, by implication, B or C).

[mikvan52]

I was wondering: Is anybody on this thread doing any ambitious rowing these days? Or do we only talk about what we did long ago or hope to do someday?
Are we all as full of it as that prof. who's being retired early?

I'm going to give something a whirl in the next 6 weeks:
http://concept2.co.uk/forum/blog.php?u=7679&b=83356
Anybody else have ambitions (or delusions) like me?

[Byron Drachman]

I was wondering: Is anybody on this thread doing any ambitious rowing these days? Or do we only talk about what we did long ago or hope to do someday?
Are we all as full of it as that prof. who's being retired early?

Hi Mike,
I did 20K OTW this morning. I was concentrating on keeping the arms straight and relaxed until half way through the body swing. Sound familiar? My other focus was keeping the right hand high enough at the finish. If I get careless I tend to lower the right hand a little going into the finish, as many other scullers do. It was a beautiful morning, temperature in the high 20's F, with just enough wind to make the water a little choppy so slobbering on the feather was out of the question. Now that I am back OTW life is worth living again.
Byron

[mikvan52]

Hi Mike,
I did 20K OTW this morning. I was concentrating on keeping the arms straight and relaxed until half way through the body swing. Sound familiar?

All too familiar
You may have broken several ranger training thread rules, though:

1. Either you were rowing like "s" or you were racing your training.
2. You show no indication that you used non-existent levers
3. You hadn't finished unfinished business
4. You didn't take breaks often enough.

[ranger]

We won't leave it there because I don't want anyone thinking you can even pull a 10k at 1:48 pace, because you can't

In 2001, I pulled 1:48 pace at 30 spm, 9 SPI, max/200+ df., a 2-to-1 ratio, and 172 bpm.

Now, in 2011, ten years later, I pull 1:48 pace at 23 spm, 12 SPI, 119 DF., a 4-to-1 ratio, and 155 bpm.

Go figure.

How did I do it?



The prediction should be that I am now pulling 1:52 at 30 spm, 8 SPI, max/200+df, a 2-to-1 ratio, and 172 bpm.

Nope.

ranger