Ranger's training thread

[bellboy]

Given even minimal decline with age (e.g., a second over 2K per year), a 6:16 at 60 is 23 seconds better than a 6:16 at, say, 37.

ranger

This guy rows 6:16 on the erg.

He's 37.




ranger

BINGOOOOOOOOOO! Come to papa. Another semi homo erotic pic of Eskild. This is what playing Craps at Vegas must be like. Where's my complimentary cocktail??!

[Byron Drachman]

May 1, 2004: Technique is now set.

Nov 8, 2005: Yep. Technique is now fixed. Muscular adjustments are also complete, I think. Stroke is completely set ....

Fri Oct 20, 2006: Last year I was still struggling with technique. Now my technique is fixed.

Nov 28, 2006: My technique problems are now solved. I am now doing full sharpening and distance rowing.

Jan 16, 2007: I have now sorted out my technique, and I am doing both free rate distance rowing and full sharpening.

Feb 8, 2007: My work on technique is now done, though. Stroke is great.

Feb 11, 2007: My work on technique is over. Stroke is set.

February 3, 2008: My technique is certainly fixed. it's now a joy to use. Now, I just need to train it up.

April 21, 2008: I now row _very_ well.

June 12, 2008: My stroke is now a dream to use, entirely relaxed. –snip--so my erging and OTW rowing have merged perfectly. My stroke is the same both OTW and off.

November 7, 2008: My technique is now entirely fixed.

Dec 19, 2007: My stroke is entirely fixed. No more worries about technique.

May 27, 2008: I now row well (but it has taken me five years to get there!).

June 5, 2008: I now row well.

May 5, 2009: I am doing trials at the other distances this spring and summer. If I can't reach my goals in those trials, then I'll pay up for the bet I lost. My attempt to get better has involved improving my technique. That work is done. I now row well (13 SPI).

June 4, 2010: My work on technique is now done.

June 28, 2010: There is no longer anything wrong at all with my rowing on the erg or OTW.

July 18, 2010: My work on technique is now complete

August 5, 2010: My problems have been with technique. At least on the erg, those problems are now solved.

August 18, 2010: Given these developments, there is certainly nothing else that needs to be done on technique and stroking power.

Dec 4, 2010: I no longer have any interest in changing my stroke. My technique is ideal.
I am now just preparing to race.

Dec 28, 2010: I have now completed my work on technique, and I am now preparing to race. I now row well (13 SPI)

Feb 28, 2011: I am working on my technique. Sure, when the improvements I have made in my technique are entirely consolidated, I will prepare to race the various distances –snip--

March 5, 2011: Clearly, my technical problems are now resolved. I now have a stroke to use. 13 SPI, 120 df. And I am now preparing to race.

March 22, 2011: I am just learning to row well.

I enjoy Byron's documentation of my gradual crafting of an effective and efficient stroke. It's fun to see the history! Sure, each technical advance felt better, and therefore like the last one needed. So, the list that Byron cites is just a record of the extent of my improvement.

Er, ehm, no. The documentation is a list of obviously false statements. The statement made May 5, 2009 is not only false but also offensive. Of that long list, the only statements that could possibly be true are the ones made Feb 28, 2011 and March 22, 2011. Each time you stated that you now row well, the connotation is that previously you did not row well. Look at the statement from May 27, 2008 to verify that. It is possible to construct a sentence where the meaning of now could mean it did not just happen, but in ordinary use if I say “Aha! Now I understand the Ranger training plan!” that would be meaning that previously I did not understand it. Otherwise I would say something like “Now I understand, and I understood it the first time I heard about it.”

To change to a previous subject, I will post a video of me doing 50 jack knives as soon as you post the video of you doing the 500m at 1:34 that you said you already made and were going to post on March 8.

Congratulations to Bellboy for winning at Ranger-Bingo. These are exciting times.

[mikvan52]

These are exciting times.

Indeed they are, Byron.
and... many thanks to you for keeping things in context...!
Our water boy, Sahib rangey, would have trouble tending his complement of pink elephants if he didn't have guys like you to prod him on...

As for me, I have just rowed 100m w/o a break at over 12.5 spi and am wondering how to extend that to a FM
(Rich will you chime in here for me?)
Should I just do it one stroke at a time? One more each day?
I wonder where Sahib is with this... How many consecutive strokes is he up to? Is it more than my 10 or 12?

At any rate...
I am so excited!!! I now row well. I guess my work is done, too. A 6:16 is now my full potential.
I've got a fever and the only prescription is........
more SPI

[atklein90]

I'll now pull 1:48/2:32 for a FM.

ranger

Then put up or shut up, bitch. I'll bet you $10K that you can do this and provide proof, by Thursday (3/24).

10 grand says you can't.

You win, you get ten grand. I win, you stop posting all of this useless bullshit, and stop posting all together. You've got 50 hours. Will you take the bet?

[atklein90]

Given even minimal decline with age (e.g., a second over 2K per year), a 6:16 at 60 is 23 seconds better than a 6:16 at, say, 37.

ranger

This guy rows 6:16 on the erg.

He's 37.




ranger

Maybe he does, maybe he doesn't. Either way, you can't. So stop claiming to be on the same level.

I'd love to see a picture of your fat ass next to his. That would be kind of funny.

You're nothing but an overweight, fat old guy with nothing better to do but post useless shit online.

You're no where near 10% bodyfat, no matter what you claim. I've seen the pics, your no where near. give up the hoax loser.

[ranger]

Of that long list, the only statements that could possibly be true are the ones made Feb 28, 2011 and March 22, 2011. Each time you stated that you now row well, the connotation is that previously you did not row well.

Sure, I agree with you.

But so what?

Each post that claims that I am rowing well marks an advance in technique, which at the time seemed sufficient to me, only to be superceded again and again, by further advances.

What situation could be more advantageous, beneficial, etc.?

A dream come true.

I have had the care and diligence to continue to make discoveries about my technical weaknesses and to correct them, one after another, the very essence of productive, consistent learning.

I have learned to row well at low drag, one piece at a time.

My time has been well spent!

If I am really declining physically at a rate of .5 seconds over 2K per year, as it seems I am, then over the last eight years since 2003, I have only declined physically one second per 500m over 2K.

The jury is still out on this, but at least in the distance rows, the improvements I have made in technique seem be worth as much as seven seconds per 500.

(There's that seven seconds per 500m again!).

So my net gain in technical effectiveness and efficiency in the distance rows might be as much as six seconds per 500m, in spite of my declining fitness.

Rowing poorly (10 SPI) at max drag back in 2003, I did 60min, 1:48 @ 28 spm.

Now, rowing well (11.7 SPI) at low drag, I think I might now pull 60min 1:42 @ 28 spm, despite being eight years older.

The gain is six seconds per 500m at the same level of effort relative to my aerobic capacity (i.e., the same %HRR).

Right around 50 watts.

At 2K rates and paces, 50 watts is worth about four seconds per 500, the difference between 1:38 pace (370 watts), which was my most frequent 2K score back in 2003, and 1:34 (420 watts), my 2K target now.

ranger

[ranger]

I'll bet you $10K that you can do this and provide proof, by Thursday (3/24).

10 grand says you can't.

You win, you get ten grand. I win, you stop posting all of this useless bullshit, and stop posting all together. You've got 50 hours. Will you take the bet?

The worst thing anyone can possibly do is rush their tralning.

All improvement has its own arc of development, even something as bone-headed as race preparation.

Ruin your own training if you want.

To each his own.

I prefer to be a lot wiser than that.

When I am ready to race, I'll pull a FM @ 1:48.

That won't be too long, perhaps a month or so.

ranger

[Flipper21]

The rank nature of incontinence can be extremely embarrassing for those of such a disposition, but, to be so decisively open with the verbal variety only makes the pages more odious than some of the other comments.

Cureton's posts absolutely resonate with BS.

Get a job on a farm and put that muck spreading to some constructive use and grow something that can contribute to a healthier life style than the one you are currently pursuing.

[ranger]

Great distance rowing now at 108 df.

With the drag that low, ratios get huge, and as I mentioned, this gives the illustion of going slow, so over time, as you go along, the rate naturally floats up.

This high rating then lets you achieve the same pace, or an even faster pace, with a lighter and lighter stroke.

In terms of stroking power, you can keep quite a bit in reserve and just play with the rest.

Nice.

Like Matthias, when all is said and done, for this FM rowing, I also seem to prefer 11 SPI.

The only differernce between us, perhaps because of differences in aerobic capacity, is that I like to let the rate float all the way up to 10 MPS, 1:43 @ 29 spm (11 SPI).

Matthias settles in at 26 spm.

29 spm seems like a frighteningly high rate to do for 2.5 hours in a FM, but as I am doing it, I don't seem to be moving out of my comfort zone for a FM.

To row a FM right to the end, I need to keep my HR below 160 bpm.

So!

Lots of rowing at 10 MPS now, 1:43 @ 29 spm (11 SPI), 108 df., 3-to-1 ratio.

If I do this rowing for a month or so, I should be ready for a FM trial.

My FM training is now settling into a routine.

One nice thing is that a _whole lotta_ rock music moves along with a tactical beat of 60 bpm, right around the speed of the heartbeat.

1:43 is 6:52 for 2K, four seconds under the 60s lwt 2K Amercan record and only 10 seconds from the 60s lwt 2K WR.

1:43 is my 5K pb.

Stroke feels great.

I feel great.

All systems are go.

Lots of biking today (in addition to rowing), just to keep my engines purring.

ranger

[ranger]

grow something that can contribute to a healthier life style than the one you are currently pursuing

Wow.

You're _really_ off the wall with this one.

My lifestyle is becoming ideal.

I can't imagine how it could be much healthier.

In two years (with one of those years a sabbatical year), I will retire with a pension three times my salary--and now with no debts, no children to raise, no mortgage, no need to pay social security (I will now _receive_ it!), etc.

And I will only be 62 years old.

I suppose I can look forward to thirty or forty "golden" years.

No work!

Hey!

In retirement, I can just hang around the boathouse all day like Mike VB and Byron, or ride my bike all day, like Dennis and Rocket Roy.

Nice!

Retirement is a lot like good racing.

You need to prepare for it carefully.

If you prepare for it badly, things just get worse and worse.

ranger

[hjs]

[ranger]

why not offer everything you own? a 100.0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 sure bet

Indeed it is, given that I am going to train for a month, 1:43 @ 29 spm (11 SPI, 10 MPS), before I race.

ranger

[hjs]

I'll now pull 1:48/2:32 for a FM.

ranger

Then put up or shut up, bitch. I'll bet you $10K that you can do this and provide proof, by Thursday (3/24).

10 grand says you can't.

You win, you get ten grand. I win, you stop posting all of this useless bullshit, and stop posting all together. You've got 50 hours. Will you take the bet?

Only 10 grand, why not offer everything you own? a 100.0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 sure bet


I have a better offer for the nutyy drunk, if you erg a sub 6.50 lightweight 2k this month, you don't have to pay me tyhe 1000$ you own me. That is march 2011.

It has to filmed though, form you standing on the scale up untill rowing the hole 2k and you have to wear a Hf belt The results must be seen on the pm

Even this is far beyond you

[ranger]

I have a better offer for the nutyy drunk, if you erg a sub 6.50 lightweight 2k this month, you don't have to pay me tyhe 1000$ you own me. That is march 2011.

It has to be filmed though, form you standing on the scale up untill rowing the hole 2k and you have to wear a Hf belt The results must be seen on the pm

Even this is far beyond you

Hmm.

An interesting offer, but too much of a distraction from my central business.

I will probably be at weight by the end of April, but not this week.

No need to starve myself now.

I just need to work hard on my rowing.

Now that I am 60, weight is no longer much of an issue.

If I hit my distance targets, when I am done with distance trials, I will hold all of the 60s _heavyweight_ WRs from a FM to 5K--by a considerable margin (4-6 seconds per 500m).

FM
HM
60min
10K
30min
6K
5K

That will be a nice base to work with for sharpening and 2K racing, as both a 60s heavyweight and 60s lightweight.

ranger

[hjs]

I'll now pull 1:48/2:32 for a FM.

ranger

Then put up or shut up, bitch. I'll bet you $10K that you can do this and provide proof, by Thursday (3/24).

10 grand says you can't.

You win, you get ten grand. I win, you stop posting all of this useless bullshit, and stop posting all together. You've got 50 hours. Will you take the bet?

Only 10 grand, why not offer everything you own? a 100.0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 sure bet


I have a better offer for the nutyy drunk, if you erg a sub 6.50 lightweight 2k this month, you don't have to pay me tyhe 1000$ you own me. That is march 2011.

It has to filmed though, form you standing on the scale up untill rowing the hole 2k and you have to wear a Hf belt The results must be seen on the pm

Even this is far beyond you

8 days counting..........

And I make the offer even better, he can also do it as a heavyweight..... but the 6.50 would be 6.30 than, So no weightloss needed, just simply do it. Although he needs to show his weight/hf. For a 1.48 marathonman just a warmup