Ranger's training thread

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » April 10th, 2011, 5:47 am

Byron Drachman wrote:
Ranger wrote:April 8, 2011: I'll post videos of 1K and 2K with my FM stroke, 1:46 @ 26 spm, 95 df., this weekend.
Let me guess: Those are no longer relevant. Racing your training is ruinous. Only a clown would suggest such a thing. 3 WR's in 2003 and I am so much better now.
1K and 2K with a FM stroke is not racing.

A FM with your FM stroke is racing.

Sure, I am now racing my sessions.

My training is over.

My fitness is maximal.

I _can't_ improve it.

So, the focus of my training has been on technique.

I now row well at low drag.

So, that's that.

No veteran has ever rowed well.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by Byron Drachman » April 10th, 2011, 6:33 am

Ranger wrote:No veteran has ever rowed well.
I forgot about that one--Dougie, Redzone, that's another one for the Bingo Board. I'm off to the river. I'm looking forward to the 1K and 2K videos. I'm sure they will be posted by the time I get back. Heh, heh.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » April 10th, 2011, 8:31 am

There is really no need for more video of force curves, or for short rows with my FM stroke.

Screen shots of longer rows are now more relevant.

Furthermore, if I am going to do 5K and 6K, I should now try to do them at 10 MPS (1:43 @ 29 spm) and top-end UT1 rather than middlin' UT1.

I'll see if I can get that done next week.

If I can do 5K and 6K at 10 MPS, 1:43 @ 29 spm, both would be 60s hwt WRs.

The more relevant rows with my FM stroke would be 10K, 60min, and a HM.

If I can do these with my FM stroke, 1:46 @ 26 spm, all of these rows would also be 60s hwt WRs.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » April 10th, 2011, 11:50 am

These preliminary rows are off of my targets by quite a bit, just a warm up for the real affair, as I am training for a FM.

In terms of distance, 30min stands between the two sets of rows (5K/6K vs. 10K/60min/HM) at the two different paces (top-end UT! vs. middlin' UT1) and rates (26 spm vs. 29 spm).

I suppose the thing to do with it would be to split the difference and try 27.5 spm for 30min.

1:44.5 pace?

1:44.5 for 30min would also be a 60s hwt WR.

8611m?

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » April 10th, 2011, 11:55 am

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » April 10th, 2011, 11:57 am

Hey.

Cool.

Not sure whether I can pull it off, but this means that I think I might be ready, right now, by the end of the month, to set all of the 60s hwt WRs from 5K to a FM--and pull sub-6:30 for 2K, which would be the best 60s hwt 2K of the year.

And then, sure, I would still have quite a bit of work to do to get to my targets, as I systematically train for each distance event, from the top down: FM, HM, 60min, 10K, 30min, 6K, 5K.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by bellboy » April 10th, 2011, 12:40 pm

ranger wrote:Hey.

Cool.

Not sure whether I can pull it off, but this means that I think I might be ready, right now, by the end of the month, to set all of the 60s hwt WRs from 5K to a FM--and pull sub-6:30 for 2K, which would be the best 60s hwt 2K of the year.

And then, sure, I would still have quite a bit of work to do to get to my targets, as I systematically train for each distance event, from the top down: FM, HM, 60min, 10K, 30min, 6K, 5K.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by Tinpusher » April 10th, 2011, 12:47 pm

ranger wrote:Not sure whether I can pull it off, but this means that I think I might be ready, right now, by the end of the month, to set all of the 60s hwt WRs from 5K to a FM--and pull sub-6:30 for 2K, which would be the best 60s hwt 2K of the year.
Not sure?

Whether I can?

But this means? Means what?

That I think?

I might?

Be ready right now?

By the end of the month?

That's one sentence full of contradictions and uncertainties. Holy crap man, make up your mind. :roll: :lol:
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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » April 10th, 2011, 12:58 pm

Tinpusher wrote: Not sure?

Whether I can?

But this means? Means what?

That I think?

I might?

Be ready right now?

By the end of the month?

That's one sentence full of and uncertainties.
Sure.

You don't know how things will be turn out till you try.

I think I am ready to do these things, though.

That's quite a change!

Having all of the 60s hwt WRs from 5K to a FM will be a nice half-way house to my goal, a lwt 6:16 2K at 60.

That's rowing like this guy, who you will soon see in his _fifth_ Olympics.

Only the sickness of a teammate his first year has prevented his Danish lightweight four from four straight golds.

So the first medal was only bronze.

Watch outd in 2012!

He's ready to let it rip again.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by Tinpusher » April 10th, 2011, 1:06 pm

ranger wrote:
Tinpusher wrote: Not sure?

Whether I can?

But this means? Means what?

That I think?

I might?

Be ready right now?

By the end of the month?

That's one sentence full of and uncertainties.
How and more importantly why, did you delete the word "contradictions" from my last post? Without deleting "of" and "and" that came either side, your attempt at changing the meaning of my post comes up short, just like everything else.

Attribute quotes accurately or not at all! You only have to hit the "quote" button and it does it for you. :roll:
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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » April 10th, 2011, 1:08 pm

Tinpusher wrote:How and more importantly why, did you delete the word "contradictions" from my last post?
Sorry, but there are no contraditions at all in what I will try to do over the next three weeks.

I have been preparing for this for eight years.

I now row well (13 SPI) at low drag (95 df.).

In the history of the sport, no veteran, much less a 60s veteran, has ever rowed well.

They have missed it by 3 SPI, seven seconds per 500m, a mile over 60min, a dozen seconds per 500m over a FM, etc.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by Tinpusher » April 10th, 2011, 1:13 pm

ranger wrote:
Tinpusher wrote:How and more importantly why, did you delete the word "contradictions" from my last post?
Sorry, but there are no contraditions at all in what I will try to do over the next three weeks.

I have been preparing for this for eight years.

I now row well (13 SPI) at low drag (95 df.).

In the history of the sport, no veteran, much less a 60s veteran, has ever rowed well.

They have missed it by 3 SPI, seven seconds per 500m, a mile over 60min, a dozen seconds per 500m over a FM, etc.

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There were numerous contradictions in the post that I accurately quoted. Changing somebody else's words is cheap and unnecessary. You'd think a man of words would know this.
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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by Citroen » April 10th, 2011, 1:19 pm

Tinpusher wrote:There were numerous contradictions in the post that I accurately quoted. Changing somebody else's words is cheap and unnecessary. You'd think a man of words would know this.
Misquoting, misattributing quotes is part of Cureton's modus operandii. He tried everything to avoid having to a) row any ranking distance and b) report the dismal results of that rowing. We have one verified result from the 2010/2011 season. That was one where he flew thousands of miles, rowed like a pratt, didn't collect his medal and buggered off.

Maybe we should get PaulH to ban him from here and remove every trace of the worthless garbage he's posted on here.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by bellboy » April 10th, 2011, 1:58 pm

ranger wrote:
Tinpusher wrote: Not sure?

Whether I can?

But this means? Means what?

That I think?

I might?

Be ready right now?

By the end of the month?

That's one sentence full of and uncertainties.
Sure.

You don't know how things will be turn out till you try.

I think I am ready to do these things, though.

That's quite a change!

Having all of the 60s hwt WRs from 5K to a FM will be a nice half-way house to my goal, a lwt 6:16 2K at 60.

That's rowing like this guy, who you will soon see in his _fifth_ Olympics.

Only the sickness of a teammate his first year has prevented his Danish lightweight four from four straight golds.

So the first medal was only bronze.

Watch outd in 2012!

He's ready to let it rip again.

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Young man there's no need to feel down i said young man ....well you get the rest. Im thinking Mrs C has pulled up the drawbridge so Rich has got his eyes on something else.....

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » April 10th, 2011, 2:00 pm

Tinpusher wrote:How and more importantly why, did you delete the word "contradictions" from my last post?
Sorry, dude, but you're the one who is full of contratictions and is coming up short.

At your size, if you want to row well, you should be haulin' a lot of meters at 16 SPI to learn how to get fast legs, good timing and sequencing, etc.

Then, you would need to drop the 95 df. and learn how to get an efficient ratio.

You have done neither.

Therefore, you don't have a clue what you are doing.

That explains why you row a half a minute off of standard in your age and weight division, and why, knowing better, I'll _best_/_better_ standards in my age and weight division by a similar margin.

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