Ranger's training thread

[Carl Watts]

Yeah I know still checking in and reading this trash from time to time for a laugh. Still living in hope that a distance IND_V will appear, which it will I'm sure just before the end of the world so still plenty of time before December 2012.

Your UT2 is 1:52 at R19 ? dream on. Try rowing more than a couple of hundred metres before taking down the numbers.

My middle UT2, or a little under at HR144ave for a 10Km (no breaks, you know non stop) at R17 is now down to 2:03.0. Do you want to see a screen shot ? swap you for one of your 10K's at UT2 ? No ? didn't think so.

[ranger]

Nice 6K OTW, after 20K OTErg.

Perfect conditions again OTW--warm, calm, clear.

Yea.

I'm _really_ getting it now OTW.

I was doing some 2:05 @ 23 spm OTW today (at 20 seconds per 500m difference, exactly comparable to the 1:45 @ 23 spm I am now getting OTErg), although again just occasionally.

That's that mythical 8 SPI, rather than my normal 7 SPI.

Beggars can't be choosers.

At this point, I am delighted to be making contact with my technical goal OTW from day to day, however briefly.

The goal this summer for my training is to work up to 20K of erging at 23 spm followed by 20K of rowing OTW at 23 spm.

Great stuff.

ranger

[ranger]

Yeah I know still checking in and reading this trash from time to time for a laugh. Still living in hope that a distance IND_V will appear, which it will I'm sure just before the end of the world so still plenty of time before December 2012.

Your UT2 is 1:52 at R19 ? dream on. Try rowing more than a couple of hundred metres before taking down the numbers.

My middle UT2, or a little under at HR144ave for a 10Km (no breaks, you know non stop) at R17 is now down to 2:03.0. Do you want to see a screen shot ? swap you for one of your 10K's at UT2 ? No ? didn't think so.

Hi, Carl.

Glad to hear from you.

Keep up the good work.

Sure.

UT2 is usually 2K + 15.

So a top-end UT2 of 2:00 predicts a 7:00 2K.

My top-end UT2 is now 1:49 @ 22 spm.

That predicts a 1:34/6:16 2K.

Sure, after I get warmed up tomorrow, I should be able to slow down and ease up a bit and get you a screen shot of 10K at top=end UT2, steady state.

I'll see what I can do.

ranger

[ranger]

Your UT2 is 1:52 at R19 ? dream on.

Carl--

Just a few years ago, I pulled a 6:29 2K, rowing badly, without even preparing for it.

That predicts a sub-1:50 UT2--at least.

When you pull sub-6:30 for 2K without even preparing for it, your UT2 won't be 2:03, either.

ranger

[leadville]

Nice 6K OTW after 20K OTErg.

My catches OTW continue to get better and better.

Again, I even took a few good strokes out there at that mythical 8 SPI (2:02 @ 24 spm) rather than my more modest 7 SPI (2:08 @ 24 spm).

Gorgeous Memorial Day here in Ann Arbor.

OTW rowing conditions were perfect this morning--calm, warm, clear.

ranger

nowhere close to the 20k you've been blathering about, rangerboy.

so, answer my question - are you racing at master's nationals this year in OKC? As you're so unbelievably fit and technically adept and oh so light, you MUST be racing in the D LW 1x. I certainly hope so, as I really want to observe your technique during the race. Of course, I'll have to be looking over my shoulder as you'll undoubtedly be WAAAAAY ahead of me...

rangerboy - still waiting to hear back from you on this. gonna put up, or admit to yet another DNS?

[Byron Drachman]

May 31, 2011: --snip--take the catch with an upright posture at full compression entirely with the legs with the hips forward and the shoulders and core relaxed until the legs are done. And at high drag, OTErg, this sort of OTW catch can't be done at all.

This is more evidence that with your keen intellect and analytical mind you do not need any lessons. You have figured it out by yourself.

Yes, you want to keep the core relaxed during the leg drive. That way you get a powerful connection from the footboard to the handles. And be sure to toss your head back and down at the finish. Watch your puddles. If you get a lot of foam that shows your bladework was perfect.

[ranger]

You have figured it out by yourself.

Yes, I have.

No 60s rower needs to pull better than 8 SPI OTW (e.g., 2:05 @ 23 spm).

That's perfect.

For a 60s rower, 8 SPI will win the Head of the Charles, going away.

At 8 SPI, 28 spm is sub-2:00 pace.

ranger

[hjs]

May 31, 2011: --snip--take the catch with an upright posture at full compression entirely with the legs with the hips forward and the shoulders and core relaxed until the legs are done. And at high drag, OTErg, this sort of OTW catch can't be done at all.

This is more evidence that with your keen intellect and analytical mind you do not need any lessons. You have figured it out by yourself.

Yes, you want to keep the core relaxed during the leg drive. That way you get a powerful connection from the footboard to the handles. And be sure to toss your head back and down at the finish. Watch your puddles. If you get a lot of foam that shows your bladework was perfect.

Maybe he is trying to learn to leap over other boats, might come in handy

[ranger]

Yes, you want to keep the core relaxed during the leg drive. That way you get a powerful connection from the footboard to the handles. And be sure to toss your head back and down at the finish.

So, how are you doing OTW, Byron?

Can you do 5 SPI?

2:12.5 @ 25 spm?

The way to tell whether you are getting it right is to check how fast you are going.

Duh.

Duh.

ranger

[ranger]

Yes, you want to keep the core relaxed during the leg drive. That way you get a powerful connection from the footboard to the handles.

So, how are you doing OTW, Byron?

Can you pull 4 SPI, _half_ of what I am doing?

That's 2:32 @ 25 spm.

ranger

[ranger]

Byron--

You haven't told us what paces and rates you are doing OTW.

Why not?

That's what tells us how you are doing technically.

There is no other way to measure the effectiveness and efficiency of technique.

Everything else is just empty talk.

What are you doing in terms of SPI OTW?

ranger

[ben990]

Yes, you want to keep the core relaxed during the leg drive. That way you get a powerful connection from the footboard to the handles. And be sure to toss your head back and down at the finish.

So, how are you doing OTW, Byron?

Can you do 5 SPI?

2:12.5 @ 25 spm?

The way to tell whether you are getting it right is to check how fast you are going.

Duh.

Duh.

ranger

So, how are you doing OTE, ranger?

Did you go faster than 7:02.3 anytime this year?

The way to tell whether you are getting it right is to check how fast you are going.

Duh.

Duh.

[Byron Drachman]

Byron--

You haven't told us what paces and rates you are doing OTW.

Why not?

Because that would be parading my strengths. It is ruinous to race your training. I just learned to row and I need to habituate my new stroke. As soon as I am fully trained and sharpened I will do all the distances. Coming soon.

[ranger]

Byron--

You haven't told us what paces and rates you are doing OTW.

Why not?

Because that would be parading my strengths. It is ruinous to race your training. I just learned to row and I need to habituate my new stroke. As soon as I am fully trained and sharpened I will do all the distances. Coming soon.

Nice.

We'll look forward to it.

I am happy your rowing is coming along so well.

ranger

[ranger]

Did you go faster than 7:02.3 anytime this year?

Racing is redundant and irrelevant.

In this sport, it's your training that counts, as I have demonstrated in the past, and will demonstrate in the future.

Your racing just reflects your training.

I was four seconds under the 50s lwt WR in my first race.

ranger