Books That are (Loosely) Related to Training and Performance

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Post by DavidA » January 10th, 2008, 3:28 pm

sammac112 wrote:Ha,

Last spring our coach made us push him inside in his car around La Salle Park, located right next to our boathouse.
When I was at UCSD we had the Santa Clara Grand Prix :lol: fairly often. We had to race 2 cars around the parking lot - with the engines off :P B)

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Post by Byron Drachman » January 10th, 2008, 4:29 pm

What a great thread! I just ordered Assault on Lake Casitas.

I don't have my own copy, but I've read The Sculler at Ease by Frank Cunningham. It's good for on-the-water rowing. One thing I've never seen before: He describes how to move the boat sideways, something that would be handy in my single at a crowded dock. So far I haven't been able to do that. I churn up the water trying to follow his instructions, but so far no luck in getting the boat to move sideways. Does anybody do this?

Rowing Faster, edited by Volker Nolte, has lots of good technical information, although there is one little part (the discussion of slip forces) that I'm skeptical about.

I've also borrowed The Complete Steve Fairbairn on Rowing. Some of it is outdated but it is so interesting. My favorite instruction from his book:

Don't slobber on the feather.

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Post by Jamie Pfeffer » January 10th, 2008, 5:20 pm

I read Steve Fairbairn's book about 10 years ago, when it was only about 90 years old. I like when he boasts about his feats of strength.
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Post by TomR » January 10th, 2008, 9:43 pm

After reading the various rowing books mentioned here, I was inspired to try sculling. It turns out it works better if I just read about being on the water and confine my rowing to the I-beam.

The McKibben book has some fine bits in it and does an excellent job of conveying the obsessive nature of the pursuit of athletic excellence.

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Post by Bob S. » January 11th, 2008, 12:29 am

"Alone" by Gerard d'Aboville, translated by Richard Seaver. ISBN 1-55970-218-4. This is a book about real rowing, not safe stuff like indoor exercise or paddling about in skinny tupperware shells on sheltered waters.

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Post by Bob S. » January 11th, 2008, 1:57 am

Byron Drachman wrote: One thing I've never seen before: He describes how to move the boat sideways, something that would be handy in my single at a crowded dock. So far I haven't been able to do that. I churn up the water trying to follow his instructions, but so far no luck in getting the boat to move sideways. Does anybody do this?
I used to do it a lot. When there was no wind and the kicker on my tri conked out, I had no choice but to do a little one oar sculling. It was particularly embarrassing one day when it looked like I was going to be in the way of the USC crews that practiced in that area (the channel between San Pedro and Wilmington in L.A. harbor). The boat weighed about 4500 pounds and, as I remember, I could move it at only about 1.5 knots.

The blade motion is similar to what is called finning for a swimmer. Actually, I worked out two possible modes — one in which the blade passes through vertical as it goes back and forth (or better, rotates clockwise and counterclockwise) and in the other it passes through horizontal. Empirically, I found the horizontal to be more effective.

As far as using it in a shell is concerned, I doubt that it would work well with unsymmetrical blades, like the hatchet blades. I had no problem moving sideways using a Macon blade, since they are symmetrical.

Classical one-oar sculling was done in estuarial waters that were too narrow to have the oars sticking out the side. The oar often went through a hole in the transom and the sculler would work it standing up. In a light boat it can be surprisingly fast. The boats themselves were long and narrow so that they would track well without wiggling back and forth with the motion of the oar.

Churning? Shouldn't be necessary. Keep the blade submerged and just move it a little bit back and forth, rotating the handle at the end of each lateral movement. The horizontal works best, since the leading edge of the blade is down and the blade tends to stay in the water. On doing it the other way, the blade tends to lift out and you have to fight to keep it submerged.

If you find that the blade is digging in to far, take it a little slower. There is no need to hurry here. You do have to exert some downward pressure on the handle to keep the blade from going too deep and you don't want to have the blade at a steep angle. I'm just guessing, but I probably rotate it about 15 degrees each way from the horizontal.

Another factor just occurred to me. Usually an oar used for this kind of sculling is symmetrical in two dimensions, whereas Macon oars are not. To use this technique with a Macon oar, the concave side should be up. That is another reason why the vertical mode is impractical for this procedure.

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Post by Byron Drachman » January 11th, 2008, 11:34 am

Bob S. wrote:
Byron Drachman wrote: One thing I've never seen before: He describes how to move the boat sideways, something that would be handy in my single at a crowded dock. So far I haven't been able to do that. I churn up the water trying to follow his instructions, but so far no luck in getting the boat to move sideways. Does anybody do this?
I used to do it a lot. When there was no wind and the kicker on my tri conked out, I had no choice but to do a little one oar sculling. It was particularly embarrassing one day when it looked like I was going to be in the way of the USC crews that practiced in that area (the channel between San Pedro and Wilmington in L.A. harbor). The boat weighed about 4500 pounds and, as I remember, I could move it at only about 1.5 knots.

The blade motion is similar to what is called finning for a swimmer. Actually, I worked out two possible modes — one in which the blade passes through vertical as it goes back and forth (or better, rotates clockwise and counterclockwise) and in the other it passes through horizontal. Empirically, I found the horizontal to be more effective.

As far as using it in a shell is concerned, I doubt that it would work well with unsymmetrical blades, like the hatchet blades. I had no problem moving sideways using a Macon blade, since they are symmetrical.

Classical one-oar sculling was done in estuarial waters that were too narrow to have the oars sticking out the side. The oar often went through a hole in the transom and the sculler would work it standing up. In a light boat it can be surprisingly fast. The boats themselves were long and narrow so that they would track well without wiggling back and forth with the motion of the oar.

Churning? Shouldn't be necessary. Keep the blade submerged and just move it a little bit back and forth, rotating the handle at the end of each lateral movement. The horizontal works best, since the leading edge of the blade is down and the blade tends to stay in the water. On doing it the other way, the blade tends to lift out and you have to fight to keep it submerged.

If you find that the blade is digging in to far, take it a little slower. There is no need to hurry here. You do have to exert some downward pressure on the handle to keep the blade from going too deep and you don't want to have the blade at a steep angle. I'm just guessing, but I probably rotate it about 15 degrees each way from the horizontal.

Another factor just occurred to me. Usually an oar used for this kind of sculling is symmetrical in two dimensions, whereas Macon oars are not. To use this technique with a Macon oar, the concave side should be up. That is another reason why the vertical mode is impractical for this procedure.

Bob S.
Hi Bob,
Thanks for that information. I was trying it with hatchets. I'll try it with my wooden spoons. I'm going to try to spend more time with the wooden spoons rather than with hatchets I usually use, even though the hatchets are easier to use--more forgiving and self-correcting if the stroke isn't quite right.
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Post by mikvan52 » January 11th, 2008, 1:02 pm

All Together by Bill Stowe ('64 stroke of the gold medal US 8)


:idea: rough and tumble world of '60's rowing.
a perspective on how to (and how not to) get along in a team boat :shock:

-draw your own conclusions about this one.... :|
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Post by Yankeerunner » January 11th, 2008, 1:22 pm

mikvan52 wrote:All Together by Bill Stowe ('64 stroke of the gold medal US 8)



a perspective on how to (and how not to) get along in a team boat :shock:

:|
Heehee. Reminded me of the good Oakland A's baseball teams of the 1970s.

I'll second the recommendation.

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Post by Jamie Pfeffer » January 11th, 2008, 11:20 pm

I saw "All Together" on the U.S. Rowing site. Thanks for recommending it; I look forward to reading it after I finish "Wanted: Rowing Coach." that could be a while, though. I'm savoring "Rowing Coach" and don't want to complete the book. Lewis did a masterful job with the story.

If "Assault" is Lewis's introductory text for his Human Performance and Achievement course, then "Rowing Coach" forms the advanced canon.
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Post by robhen » January 11th, 2008, 11:41 pm

Early on "The Inner Game Of Tennis" by T. Gallway, "Psyching In Sport" by B. Rushall and "The Psychology Of Winning" I have forgotten the author all have had a big influence on me.

Now I am trying to digest "Rowing Faster".

Although not a book the Wolverine Plan by M. Caviston is having a major, major influence on me. I am getting very fit and will have a good season OTW. [/i]
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Post by cynthia » January 12th, 2008, 12:47 pm

Elamonta wrote:Lol...we are the short term holders of the 100,000m Mixed Tandem Lightweight record...row 100,000m together by taking turns...The previous record was 9 hours and 45 mins...we re-set the record at 7 hours and 56 minutes.
A 100k piece is a long way to go. I once did one 7:53:28 and I was afraid it was never going to end.

If you're looking for inspirational reading, have a look at Brian Kent's Blog http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fusea ... =341877773
Brian has to date rowed 977,941 meters in the 2008 JVC ..... he rows after he gets home from work.....
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Post by Stefan » January 12th, 2008, 1:33 pm

cynthia wrote:If you're looking for inspirational reading, have a look at Brian Kent's Blog http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fusea ... =341877773
Brian has to date rowed 977,941 meters in the 2008 JVC ..... he rows after he gets home from work.....
Increadible, I read it and will follow it. I thought the 200 k holiday challenge was tough!
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Post by Byron Drachman » January 15th, 2008, 9:49 am

Assault on Lake Casitas arrived yesterday. The book is signed by the author, and he includes a DVD with three of his races. I should warn everybody: Do not start reading this book unless you have a few free hours. You will not be able to put it down once you start reading it, and you'll be reading every word, even pausing and lingering over some parts.

Say, did I mention how much I like this book?

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Post by Jamie Pfeffer » January 15th, 2008, 10:09 am

I'm thrilled that you like it, Byron. Enjoy the DVD! It amazes me how Brad Lewis "gets it." Providing autographs and discs of his races shows just how deeply he understands -- almost a quarter century later -- how much that 1984 triumph means to rowers everywhere. When you finish Casitas, start "Wanted: Rowing coach." It's not the bravado-filled portrait of rowing obsession that is Casitas -- nothing is. Rather, it's more of a how-to guide for setting goals and then working as hard as possible to achieve them.
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