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Post by Yukon John » April 23rd, 2006, 9:53 pm

TomR wrote:Caught the affliction.

Did my first FM: 3.15.54.1, basically recovery pace until the final 4k.

Avg HR 126 (60% HRR), spiking to 157 (85%) with the final push.

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Well done there Tom!!! Looks like you "ran" a smart marathon. How did you feel during and after? With your pulse rate at 126, I bet you've got some faster marathons coming down the road! Although, 3:15 is an excellent time as is. Great job :D ! John
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Post by johnnybike » April 24th, 2006, 1:41 am

Wel done TomR, the end of season enthusiasim/infection hit you as well.
Nice low HR and it is a good feeling to get one in the bag isn't it.
[url=http://www.concept2.co.uk/forum/weblog.php?w=57]Read my diary[/url]
2K [b]7:06:1[/b] | 5K [b]18:35.2[/b] | 10K [b]37.47.9[/b] | 30mins [b]7899[/b] | 60mins [b]15577[/b] | HM [b]82:33.3[/b] FM [b]2:50:48[/b]

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1st 60min

Post by ranger89 » April 24th, 2006, 5:12 am

Rowed 15818 in 60min and couldn't sit down all weekend!
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500M 01:33.1
2000M 07:00.6
5000M 18:05.5
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10000M 37:12.0
15818M 60:00.0

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Post by Citroen » April 24th, 2006, 3:14 pm

TomR wrote:Did my first FM: 3.15.54.1 ...
Well done Tom. Good result.

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Post by snowitall » April 24th, 2006, 8:28 pm

This is my first post, but just thought I'd share my 2k PB. Have been rowing since January this year, and did a 7:17.8 on Sunday, which is a lot better than the 9:52.1 I struggled to back in January. Am very happy with the time, though I went off a little too fast at the start I think and suffered for it later, I was really hanging on at the end.

You can check out the video at
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQ7PyhdD7Ag
This also shows Rowpro in action, projected in all it's 83 inch glory on the screen in front of my erg.

or check out my rowing blog on
http://snowitall.blogspot.com/
this also has my training plan at the bottom, I am currenty following one of the training plans from Rowpro

Cheers
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Post by johnnybike » April 25th, 2006, 5:32 am

Well done snowitall on the big 2K improve. You must be chuffed.

The blog was interesting but if it is just going to be C2 related then I suggest you sign up to the C2 UK forum and start a diary. You will probably get more hits, guests who are not registered on the forum can still access and comment. Comments you get might provide more inspiration and encouragement for you as well.

Mosty importantly of all if you mention sex, drugs and rock'n'roll on a frequesnt basis I might read it :lol:

Not looked at the video yet (at work and no graphics card) but that screen look BIG

PS How do you check your body fat, with scales and at the same time each day?

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[url=http://www.concept2.co.uk/forum/weblog.php?w=57]Read my diary[/url]
2K [b]7:06:1[/b] | 5K [b]18:35.2[/b] | 10K [b]37.47.9[/b] | 30mins [b]7899[/b] | 60mins [b]15577[/b] | HM [b]82:33.3[/b] FM [b]2:50:48[/b]

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Post by snowitall » April 25th, 2006, 10:38 pm

John,

Set up the diary on the UK forum, and have had a few comments already. Thanks for the suggestion.

my diary is http://www.concept2.co.uk/forum/weblog.php?w=257
comments are more than welcome

I measure my bodyfat using some Tanita scales. They use impedance to determine your percentage bodyfat. I usually weigh myself first thing each morning. I think this will give me a bodyfat percentage reading higher than actual because I will be dehydrated, but I think it is repeatable. If I do it in the evening my bodyfat percentage can be up to 4% lower, but I am really interested in getting a repeatable trend. I figure that I am more consistently dehydrated in the morning, than I am consistently hydrated in the evening. It's quite intresting to see the daily fluctuations where weight goes up but bodyfat goes down, which must be an indication of my hydration levels.

You shouldn't need a decent graphics card to view the video, just the flash plug-in installed on whatever browser you use.

As an aside, I got a new PB for 5k tonight. Got below 20 for the first time with 19:46.0 @ 25spm. This took nearly 50 seconds off my previous best. Very chuffed.

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ps. will put some thought into spicing up the diary :)

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Post by johnnybike » April 26th, 2006, 2:24 am

Looks like you might be a regular frequenter of these pages as your times drop. Sub 20 is a big milestone and you are well inside that now. Congrats
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Post by ancho » April 26th, 2006, 6:32 am

Did my marathon for the challenge yesterday, together with Polaco.
I finished exactly 7:30 under my previous time at
2:57:16,0
Although I felt MUCH better than last year, as you can see, my head was smoking hot! :shock:

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Post by polaco » April 26th, 2006, 8:39 am

ancho wrote:Did my marathon for the challenge yesterday, together with Polaco.
I finished exactly 7:30 under my previous time at
2:57:16,0
Although I felt MUCH better than last year, as you can see, my head was smoking hot! :shock:

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I'm the other one, 2:51:17 for me also PB :) .... I started too hard during the first 20 km and I paid for it later :cry: so I couldn't make the average of 2:00 that was my target, next year I'll try to be more consistent in my pace.
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0.5K 1:25.1, 1K 3:15.7, 2K 6:27.9, 5K 17:22.6, 6K 20:53.6, 10K 36:55.9, 30' 8085m, 60' 15698, HM 1:20:47.2, FM 2:51:17
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Post by RowtheRockies » April 26th, 2006, 11:27 am

Snowitall,

Nice set up you have there, I'm suffering a case of "screen envy" as I only have the 3" screen on my PM3 to stare at.

Question for you. I have a Tanita Ironman scale. The scale has an "Athlete" setting and a regular setting. When I set it to the athlete setting it shows my Body fat being about 3% higher than on the normal setting (19% vs. 16%). I know I am not 19% and I even think that the 16% is high. Do you know why the athlete setting would be higher?

Also have you ever had a skin caliper test done. I have several times and it indicates 12.5% bodyfat. At least the day to day readings seem accurate for comparison.
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Post by snowitall » April 26th, 2006, 1:33 pm

RowtheRockies,

As I understand, the athlete setting should read lower than the regular setting. Is the difference between the 2 modes just the press of a button on your scales, or do you have to set up a new user, because height and gender will have an impact on the readings if not the same for each user.

I also find that hydration has a very big influence on the actual reading, Tanita recommends in the evening before your main meal when you should get the best reading, though I do it in the morning for convenience. I'm not too concerned with the absolute value, as long as the trend is in the right direction :lol:

Skin caliper tests can be very dependent upon the person doing the measuring, but if you've had multiple tests by multiple people, that should give you some confidence in the readings. I had some done a few years ago, but none recently.

Hope this helps.

Cheers
Marc

The following is copied directly from http://www.wholesalepoint.com/tanita_sc ... e_mode.asp
It has some other useful info on bodyfat measuring there too.

Monitoring in Athlete Mode

Why is there a separate Athlete mode?
The Tanita Body Fat Monitor does not measure fat directly. The only two values measured directly are weight and the electrical resistance (impedance) of the body. Body fat percentage is calculated using an equation based on these and other values such as height, gender and body type.

Tanita's equations for standard Adult mode have been calibrated against clinical readings taken from a representative sample of the population, most of whom have sedentary or only moderately active lifestyles.

When developing its body composition equations, Tanita found that a different equation was needed to maintain accuracy in the elite athletic population. People who exercise at high levels over long periods of time exhibit differences in their muscle structure and hydration. Their muscle tissue composition may differ, there will be a difference in their water to muscle ratio and overall their bodies will be denser than the average person, as muscle tissue is denser than fat. If these people were to use the standard Adult mode on a Body Fat Monitor, their readings could be overestimated.

Tanita therefore developed a specific Athlete mode, calibrated against a representative sample of "athletes".

As a general guideline, we recommend Athlete mode for anyone who carries out more than 10 hours of intensive aerobic exercise a week AND who has a resting heartbeat of under 60bpm. (Some people naturally have a low heart rate - it does not apply unless they exercise at that level.) They should also have been exercising at this level for at least 6 months.

It could also apply to people who have a lifetime history of fitness - who used to do more than 10 hours a week but do less now.

There is no exact moment when a person becomes an "athlete" and individuals vary. Some people will fall into a "grey" area between athlete and non-athlete; getting a slight underestimation on athlete mode and a slight overestimation on standard adult mode.

The important factor in Tanita's Body Fat Monitors is that they give consistent repeatable readings over a period of time - allowing you to monitor your health in the long-term. If you are 15% now and 25% in a few years time you will know something is wrong!

Athlete mode is particularly suitable for people in endurance sports like running and cycling and those in cross training. (Professional athletes and body builders may still get an overestimation of their body fat percentage even in Athlete mode.)

Athlete mode can be found on a number of Body Fat Monitors in the Tanita line.

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Post by RowtheRockies » April 26th, 2006, 2:31 pm

snowitall,

Thanks for the information. Very wierd though because on athlete mode (all variables set the same as on non athlete) my body fat % shows around 3% higher. maybe I should call the company.

I gather by your user name and avatar you are an avid boarder. Must be kind of hard to do in Texas! I switched from skiing to boarding about 7 years ago and live about 2.5 hours from Breckenridge where we do most of our riding.
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Post by Yukon John » April 26th, 2006, 3:55 pm

We've got one of the Tanita scales too. It's about 10 years old but has always worked well. On ours, you definately got a lower fat % for the athlete mode. So, it might be good to check with the company.

Back when I was at University and was on the x-country ski team, we did regular skin caliper testing. I even got involved with doing the testing myself (on other skiers.) If you had the same person doing it each time and that person has had some practice doing the test, then you usually get an accurate picture if your fat % is going up or down. But it might not be an accurite % of what your % actually is. It may be different with different testers. We also did some testing with underwater weighing, which is where the figures for skin caliper and (I can't remember what it's called) the electric pulse method that the scales use. If someone ever asked you to try doing the under water weighing, think twice. The procedure involves expelling "all" of your air, going under water and sitting on a seat (attached to a scale like they use in the supermarket, but more precise) and staying on that seat for a while to get rid of any turbulance in the water. Well, I'll tell you, trying to stay under water, when you've breathed out all your air is no picnic. Your basically in the process of getting as close to sucking in water as you can get, to get this reading. If you don't stay long enough, you do it again :? . When I did that test, they were just in the process of developing the method used in the scales. It's pretty nice just to be able to step on a scale compared to the old way.
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Post by RowtheRockies » April 26th, 2006, 4:13 pm

John,

Don't think there is an underwater test in my future, sounds horrible.

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