Weight training and ergometer performance

[milkman21]

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Your erg times and mine are very similar. And, I was a collegiate swimmer before ... now a rower. And, I'm 6'4" ~202 lbs.

How long have you been rowing/erging?

[SwimmerTurnedRower]

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Your erg times and mine are very similar. And, I was a collegiate swimmer before ... now a rower. And, I'm 6'4" ~202 lbs.

How long have you been rowing/erging?

Cool man! I swam for a year in college and began rowing sophomore year, fall 2007. What events did you swim? Are you rowing in college?

[milkman21]

I swam for all 4 years of my undergrad. I'm 26 now, in grad school, and I just picked up rowing with my school's team in the Fall.

I did mid-distance and distance freestyle and IM. (200/500/1650 free, 400IM)

[SwimmerTurnedRower]

It would be negligent of me not to post this youtube video:



Rowing starts at 4:53. He pulls a 1:18 500 after doing sets of deadlift at 800lbs! I fully realize that this guy would probably sink any boat OTW.

[Citroen]

It would be negligent of me not to post this youtube video:



Rowing starts at 4:53. He pulls a 1:18 500 after doing sets of deadlift at 800lbs! I fully realize that this guy would probably sink any boat OTW.

He may be super strong, but his technique on the ergo sucks. You can tell him that

Rob Smith goes quicker.

[DUThomas]

Is 3:06 of the video intended to refute allegations of steroid use?

[NavigationHazard]

I think Magnus Samuelsson has been reported to have done a 1:15 500m in similar circumstances. I'm usually sceptical as hell on such things but in his case I'm quite prepared to believe it. The raw power that the big strongmen competitors have is way beyond the ability of most of us to comprehend. I doubt that they could last 750m before blowing up bigtime. But it's still fun to watch....

[aharmer]

He may be super strong, but his technique on the ergo sucks. You can tell him that

Maybe so, but it's still better than a lot of people I've seen that consider erging to be their primary sport. You also have to remember at his size it's nearly impossible to look fluid and comfortable on an erg. If that time is real I give him a helluva lot of credit..he was hardly breathing at the end.

[hjs]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4e5cuyq ... re=related

For those who have doubt about big man and there power. Werner Gunthor, training, at the end of the clip you seen him jump, he was around 2.00 meters and weight 145 ish kg.... People like this are so immensely.

I can across this vid looking for Mike Oldfield running a 100 meter dash. Many shotputters/discustrowers run around 11 seconds on this. You need some "power" to be able to do this.

[NavigationHazard]

I think you mean Brian Oldfield. See http://www.brianoldfield.com/videos.htm

There's a link on this page to a video of Oldfield dunking a 16-lb shot....

[hjs]

I think you mean Brian Oldfield. See http://www.brianoldfield.com/videos.htm

There's a link on this page to a video of Oldfield dunking a 16-lb shot....

indeed Nav, strange thinking, I did search for Brian, that sprinting vid is also somewhere on youtube.

[igoeja]

I was hoping this thread was about science, not anecdote...

Below is a copy from http://www.pponline.co.uk/encyc/strengt ... hletes-843:

Actual research concerning strength training for rowing hasn't exactly been exhaustive, with the best study probably being the one carried out by researchers at the University of Alberta and the University of Victoria in Canada in the late 1980s.

In that study, 18 equally strong male college oarsmen (average age 22) were divided into three groups - a high-velocity (and low-resistance) strength training group, a low-velocity (and high- resistance) strength training group, and a control group which carried out no strength training at all. The first two groups strength-trained four times a week, and each workout consisted of 'circuits' of 12 different exercises which worked the key muscles involved in rowing (two to three circuits were completed per training session). Within a circuit, each exercise was carried out continuously for two 20-second intervals (with a 20-second rest between intervals) before an individual moved on to a new exertion. The high- velocity, low-resistance trainers completed about 18 to 22 reps in 20 seconds, while the low- velocity, high-resistance athletes finished six to eight closer-to-maximal repetitions during each 20-second period.

After five weeks of such training, the high- velocity rowers improved their strength during high-velocity movements, while the low-velocity oarsmen improved their strength during low- speed motions (surprise, surprise!). However, high-velocity athletes were not stronger while doing low-velocity movements, and low-velocity ones were not stronger during high-velocity actions (again, surprise, surprise!).

These results are in exact concordance with the critically important specificity of training principle, which basically says that you get better at doing only those things which you specifically practise in training. To use a running example, training fast makes you a faster runner, while running loads of relatively slow miles makes you skilled in the fine art of running slowly.

Unfortunately, actual rowing performances were not measured in this Canadian study. However, all 18 oarsmen did climb aboard rowing ergometers for tests which evaluated their lactate productions and power outputs during 15 seconds of maximal rowing and 90 seconds of full-tilt effort. These check-ups revealed a slight trend toward improved power outputs (and greater lactate production) in the high-velocity trainers after the five weeks of training, but the changes were not statistically significant. The low-velocity trainees also failed to hike power, and the control subjects actually lost power over the five-week period.

[igoeja]

The effect of velocity-specific strength training on peak torque and anaerobic rowing power.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2621758

Quote:

...High positive correlations were found between peak torque and anaerobic power outputs for all groups. However, no significant changes occurred in 15 s power output, average 90 s power output or peak blood lactate in either training group. These results indicate that velocity-specific strength training does not necessarily improve anaerobic power output in a different exercise mode despite the high positive correlation between isokinetic strength and anaerobic power output.

[igoeja]

Inspiratory muscle training improves rowing performance

http://journals.lww.com/acsm-msse/Abstr ... ng.20.aspx

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IMT improves rowing performance on the 6-min all-out effort and the 5000-m trial.

[igoeja]

Arterial compliance of rowers: implications for combined aerobic and strength training on arterial elasticity

http://ajpheart.physiology.org/cgi/cont ... 90/4/H1596

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Our results suggest that simultaneously performed endurance training may negate the stiffening effects of strength training.