Some questions about longer distances

[HornetMaX]

I use a camelback and a hose, hang it next to me so that I can grab the valve, suck on it for a few strokes and put it back, without any interruption.

Do you have any details (pictures?) how you did this? I did hang a camelback from my roof, but it started to swing in my oposite direction, hitting me in the face (that was not a good day). Still trying to fix this issue before I move from HM to FM

The thermal bag is really needed only when hot, but it also allows me to hang the camelback in a way it doesn't swing too much.

[Elizabeth]

On the topic of hydration and nutrition, there's what's necessary and what's ideal. I think comments here, and in the ultra-endurance thread, seem to skew more towards what's necessary. Hydration/nutrition aren't necessary for half-marathon distances. They are for a 100k. They become necessary somewhere in the middle.

Good comment. I only know what works for me, but even that might not be ideal as I don't know what the possible impact is on subsequent sessions. I can't see how it affects me in the moment, but maybe it does have an incremental effect.

I think it's pretty well established in the running/cycling world that fueling for longer efforts improves performance and reduces chance of injuries. It's also one of my weaker points, but I've been making a much more concerted effort over the past 7 months to fuel before training, and I think it's been very beneficial. I'm having a harder time this week without that commute to the boathouse as a built-in period for things to digest a bit, but I'll figure it out.

[btlifter]

On the topic of hydration and nutrition, there's what's necessary and what's ideal. I think comments here, and in the ultra-endurance thread, seem to skew more towards what's necessary. Hydration/nutrition aren't necessary for half-marathon distances. They are for a 100k. They become necessary somewhere in the middle.

Good comment. I only know what works for me, but even that might not be ideal as I don't know what the possible impact is on subsequent sessions. I can't see how it affects me in the moment, but maybe it does have an incremental effect.

I think it's pretty well established in the running/cycling world that fueling for longer efforts improves performance and reduces chance of injuries. It's also one of my weaker points, but I've been making a much more concerted effort over the past 7 months to fuel before training, and I think it's been very beneficial. I'm having a harder time this week without that commute to the boathouse as a built-in period for things to digest a bit, but I'll figure it out.

Yeah - your shit fuelling has really been holding you back!

[Elizabeth]

Good comment. I only know what works for me, but even that might not be ideal as I don't know what the possible impact is on subsequent sessions. I can't see how it affects me in the moment, but maybe it does have an incremental effect.

I think it's pretty well established in the running/cycling world that fueling for longer efforts improves performance and reduces chance of injuries. It's also one of my weaker points, but I've been making a much more concerted effort over the past 7 months to fuel before training, and I think it's been very beneficial. I'm having a harder time this week without that commute to the boathouse as a built-in period for things to digest a bit, but I'll figure it out.

Yeah - your shit fuelling has really been holding you back!

Oh hun. Maybe you should have a snackie and a nap and then reread. I've been doing a better job fueling, in part because this guy, who is sometimes an idiot but also sometimes right about things, has been encouraging me to fuel. And it's been helpful.

[robhely]

I think it's pretty well established in the running/cycling world that fueling for longer efforts improves performance and reduces chance of injuries. It's also one of my weaker points

When I used to do a lot of road cycling, often rides over 3 hours, fuelling was always my biggest challenge. It really messed with my breathing and rhythm. In a race once that involved 3 hours of continuous climbing, I suffered terribly in the last 15 minutes as I hadn't eaten enough on the way up. Other cyclists (and presumably rowers) have really perfected the art of ingestion on the go, but for me anything other than gels is like chewing sawdust...

I don't usually drink on the erg, once I tried and it and found that it definitely affected my breathing/splits. Thankfully the general consensus is that (unless it's a really hot day and aircon isn't an option) a HM would be fine without eating or drinking during the session.

If I try and attempt a FM at some point, I'll probably have to do some eating and drinking training.

Great idea to break it into smaller chunks and some short breaks, where eating and drinking wouldn't be a problem. I may well start off this way.

[Dangerscouse]

Yeah - your shit fuelling has really been holding you back!

Hahahahahahaha

[JaapvanE]

The thermal bag is really needed only when hot, but it also allows me to hang the camelback in a way it doesn't swing too much.

Thanks, this helps a lot.

Indeed, hanging it by a thread turns it into a penulum that starts to swing against your own movement as it tends to lag. Having to duck every stroke might be a good martial arts excercise (Kung Fu panda?), but it really breaks rythem. Your approach might work a lot better, thanks!