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Dangerscouse
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by Dangerscouse » February 11th, 2019, 12:58 pm
KeithT wrote: ↑February 11th, 2019, 10:01 am
Tied my 1K PB at 2:59.8...so why am I posting this?
So, in my mind I feel I did a PB even if the official results show otherwise and wanted to hear your opinions on this. I did a competition this past Saturday and I won my age group by like 35 seconds/162M but I wanted to try and break 3:00 again as this is the first time doing an all out 1K since I reached that milestone. I know there is something to the delay at the race start but this is the first time I really seemed to notice it and something just seemed off. I had a very specific plan and I executed it pretty good and know exactly what I was pulling but the numbers seemed wrong, let me explain:
My goal for the first 100M was 5 hard pulls and 5 to settle and I wanted the average to be just below 1:30 and I actually went harder than I planned (damn adrenaline) with most pulls in the mid 1:20s and others maybe 1:28, I do this and my average pace at 100M shows 1:30.8 - how is this possible? I have done many 1000M effort and even when not going as hard I know what my average should be. So, I stick with race plan and try to settle at 1:31 for next 300M and I do it pretty well if not a little quicker as I see some 1:30 pulls but my overall average doesn't really change. As planned I move to 1:30 flat between 600-300 to go and am seeing a decent amount of 1:28s/1:29s, average comes down but I am still a little above pace as I planned but I know have went faster...anyway I go harder with 300 to go and I am hurting but pull 1:28s pretty well from 300-100 to go and finally drive the average down to 1:29.8 and I hold on with everything I have in last 100M and fade just a touch and finish at 1:29.9 (2:59.8). So, I match my PB and I am happy though in absolute misery for quite some time after. But .... I KNOW this was a faster row than my other PB and the monitor showed me it should of been. So, just how much impact can the race start delay have? Or am I just fooling myself that I did better?
I think that this recent effort is better as the adrenaline and general nervous tension will have played a big part in affecting your performance. It sounds relatively easy to get a PB, albeit it will be very painful, but a comp does strange things to your mind and strategy.
Really strong row Keith
51 HWT; 6' 4"; 1k= 3:09; 2k= 6:36; 5k= 17:19; 6k= 20:47; 10k= 35:46 30mins= 8,488m 60mins= 16,618m HM= 1:16.47; FM= 2:40:41; 50k= 3:16:09; 100k= 7:52:44; 12hrs = 153km
"You reap what you row"
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KeithT
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by KeithT » February 12th, 2019, 10:45 am
Dangerscouse wrote: ↑February 11th, 2019, 12:58 pm
KeithT wrote: ↑February 11th, 2019, 10:01 am
Tied my 1K PB at 2:59.8...so why am I posting this?
So, in my mind I feel I did a PB even if the official results show otherwise and wanted to hear your opinions on this. I did a competition this past Saturday and I won my age group by like 35 seconds/162M but I wanted to try and break 3:00 again as this is the first time doing an all out 1K since I reached that milestone. I know there is something to the delay at the race start but this is the first time I really seemed to notice it and something just seemed off. I had a very specific plan and I executed it pretty good and know exactly what I was pulling but the numbers seemed wrong, let me explain:
My goal for the first 100M was 5 hard pulls and 5 to settle and I wanted the average to be just below 1:30 and I actually went harder than I planned (damn adrenaline) with most pulls in the mid 1:20s and others maybe 1:28, I do this and my average pace at 100M shows 1:30.8 - how is this possible? I have done many 1000M effort and even when not going as hard I know what my average should be. So, I stick with race plan and try to settle at 1:31 for next 300M and I do it pretty well if not a little quicker as I see some 1:30 pulls but my overall average doesn't really change. As planned I move to 1:30 flat between 600-300 to go and am seeing a decent amount of 1:28s/1:29s, average comes down but I am still a little above pace as I planned but I know have went faster...anyway I go harder with 300 to go and I am hurting but pull 1:28s pretty well from 300-100 to go and finally drive the average down to 1:29.8 and I hold on with everything I have in last 100M and fade just a touch and finish at 1:29.9 (2:59.8). So, I match my PB and I am happy though in absolute misery for quite some time after. But .... I KNOW this was a faster row than my other PB and the monitor showed me it should of been. So, just how much impact can the race start delay have? Or am I just fooling myself that I did better?
I think that this recent effort is better as the adrenaline and general nervous tension will have played a big part in affecting your performance. It sounds relatively easy to get a PB, albeit it will be very painful, but a comp does strange things to your mind and strategy.
Really strong row Keith
Thanks Stu - it sounds like the race lag was a little more than I realized too so I am definitely thinking I did better. I was just happy to go under 3:00 again and prove the first time wasn't a fluke. Now I need to PB at the WRIC.
57 yo, 6'3" 205# PBs (all since turning 50):
1 min - 376m, 500m - 1:21.3, 1K - 2:57.2, 4 min - 1305m, 2K - 6:27.8, 5K - 17:23, 30 min - 8444m, 10K - 35:54, 60 min - 16110, HM - 1:19:19, FM - 2:45:41
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Gammmmo
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by Gammmmo » February 12th, 2019, 11:20 am
Keith - consistent! Alot to be said for that...at least you know first time wasn't a fluke! (I'm being serious)
Paul, 49M, 5'11" 83kg (sprint PBs HWT), ex biker now lifting
Deadlift=190kg, LP=1:15, 100m=15.7s, 1min=350m

Targets: 14s (100m), 355m+ 1min, 1:27(500m), 3:11(1K)
Erg on!
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KeithT
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by KeithT » February 12th, 2019, 4:52 pm
Gammmmo wrote: ↑February 12th, 2019, 11:20 am
Keith - consistent! Alot to be said for that...at least you know first time wasn't a fluke! (I'm being serious)
For sure - I really wondered if this is what I could expect now or if I just had a good day before and now I know I have this in me. I am confident I could do it again and even get faster eventually. Now I need to have that same feeling with a sub 6:30 2K.
57 yo, 6'3" 205# PBs (all since turning 50):
1 min - 376m, 500m - 1:21.3, 1K - 2:57.2, 4 min - 1305m, 2K - 6:27.8, 5K - 17:23, 30 min - 8444m, 10K - 35:54, 60 min - 16110, HM - 1:19:19, FM - 2:45:41
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by hjs » February 13th, 2019, 4:53 am
KeithT wrote: ↑February 12th, 2019, 4:52 pm
Gammmmo wrote: ↑February 12th, 2019, 11:20 am
Keith - consistent! Alot to be said for that...at least you know first time wasn't a fluke! (I'm being serious)
For sure - I really wondered if this is what I could expect now or if I just had a good day before and now I know I have this in me. I am confident I could do it again and even get faster eventually. Now I need to have that same feeling with a sub 6:30 2K.
Its not a game, nothing to trick, this is your level now.
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KeithT
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by KeithT » February 13th, 2019, 2:29 pm
hjs wrote: ↑February 13th, 2019, 4:53 am
KeithT wrote: ↑February 12th, 2019, 4:52 pm
Gammmmo wrote: ↑February 12th, 2019, 11:20 am
Keith - consistent! Alot to be said for that...at least you know first time wasn't a fluke! (I'm being serious)
For sure - I really wondered if this is what I could expect now or if I just had a good day before and now I know I have this in me. I am confident I could do it again and even get faster eventually. Now I need to have that same feeling with a sub 6:30 2K.
Its not a game, nothing to trick, this is your level now.
And I am going to accept that and work to try and take it all to a higher level.
57 yo, 6'3" 205# PBs (all since turning 50):
1 min - 376m, 500m - 1:21.3, 1K - 2:57.2, 4 min - 1305m, 2K - 6:27.8, 5K - 17:23, 30 min - 8444m, 10K - 35:54, 60 min - 16110, HM - 1:19:19, FM - 2:45:41
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Dangerscouse
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by Dangerscouse » February 13th, 2019, 4:02 pm
KeithT wrote: ↑February 13th, 2019, 2:29 pm
And I am going to accept that and work to try and take it all to a higher level.
So you should Keith. Mind games can't be holding you back. You're a sub 3 min rower now.
51 HWT; 6' 4"; 1k= 3:09; 2k= 6:36; 5k= 17:19; 6k= 20:47; 10k= 35:46 30mins= 8,488m 60mins= 16,618m HM= 1:16.47; FM= 2:40:41; 50k= 3:16:09; 100k= 7:52:44; 12hrs = 153km
"You reap what you row"
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MartinSH4321
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by MartinSH4321 » February 18th, 2019, 5:49 am
1min-PB by 3 meters

Was a bit to conservative at the beginning, a few more meters are possible.
As my 2nd son was born on 12. Feb I had no time or motivation to train last week, but at least I was pretty rested yesterday

Next weeks/months will be less easy to hold my training volume and intensity, but hope to manage some improvements nevertheless.
1983 Austria 1.86 94Kg
LP: 1:03.4 100m: 13.3 1': 392m 500m: 1:21.4
1k: 3:05 2k: 6:43 5k: 17:53 30': 8237m 30R20: 8088m 10k: 36:39
60': 16087m, HM: 1:19:42
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Dangerscouse
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by Dangerscouse » February 18th, 2019, 7:14 am
MartinSH4321 wrote: ↑February 18th, 2019, 5:49 am
1min-PB by 3 meters

Was a bit to conservative at the beginning, a few more meters are possible.
As my 2nd son was born on 12. Feb I had no time or motivation to train last week, but at least I was pretty rested yesterday

Next weeks/months will be less easy to hold my training volume and intensity, but hope to manage some improvements nevertheless.
Congrats to you both on the birth of your son and great effort for the PB
51 HWT; 6' 4"; 1k= 3:09; 2k= 6:36; 5k= 17:19; 6k= 20:47; 10k= 35:46 30mins= 8,488m 60mins= 16,618m HM= 1:16.47; FM= 2:40:41; 50k= 3:16:09; 100k= 7:52:44; 12hrs = 153km
"You reap what you row"
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MartinSH4321
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by MartinSH4321 » February 18th, 2019, 3:15 pm
Thank you very much Stu!!
1983 Austria 1.86 94Kg
LP: 1:03.4 100m: 13.3 1': 392m 500m: 1:21.4
1k: 3:05 2k: 6:43 5k: 17:53 30': 8237m 30R20: 8088m 10k: 36:39
60': 16087m, HM: 1:19:42
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by DavidA » February 19th, 2019, 5:41 pm
MartinSH4321 wrote: ↑February 18th, 2019, 5:49 am
1min-PB by 3 meters
Was a bit to conservative at the beginning, a few more meters are possible.
As my 2nd son was born on 12. Feb I had no time or motivation to train last week, but at least I was pretty rested yesterday

Next weeks/months will be less easy to hold my training volume and intensity, but hope to manage some improvements nevertheless.
Congratulations on your 2nd son!
David
63 y / 70 kg / 172 cm / 5 kids / 17 grandkids

Received my model C erg 18-Dec-1994
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hjs
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by hjs » February 19th, 2019, 5:45 pm
DavidA wrote: ↑February 19th, 2019, 5:41 pm
MartinSH4321 wrote: ↑February 18th, 2019, 5:49 am
1min-PB by 3 meters
Was a bit to conservative at the beginning, a few more meters are possible.
As my 2nd son was born on 12. Feb I had no time or motivation to train last week, but at least I was pretty rested yesterday

Next weeks/months will be less easy to hold my training volume and intensity, but hope to manage some improvements nevertheless.
Congratulations on your 2nd son!
David
Indeed, rowing was also ok

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by Soleith » February 20th, 2019, 4:35 am
Managed a slightly quicker (although still pathetically slow looking at some of the times on this thread!) 10k PB of 41 minutes 44 seconds, shaving 6 seconds off my previous best time!
PB Times: 2k 7:33.4 5K 20:31 10K 41:13 15K 1:02:51, HM 1:29:49.3
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MartinSH4321
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by MartinSH4321 » February 20th, 2019, 4:45 am
Thanks very much hjs and David!

1983 Austria 1.86 94Kg
LP: 1:03.4 100m: 13.3 1': 392m 500m: 1:21.4
1k: 3:05 2k: 6:43 5k: 17:53 30': 8237m 30R20: 8088m 10k: 36:39
60': 16087m, HM: 1:19:42
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Dangerscouse
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by Dangerscouse » February 20th, 2019, 11:40 am
Soleith wrote: ↑February 20th, 2019, 4:35 am
Managed a slightly quicker (although still pathetically slow looking at some of the times on this thread!) 10k PB of 41 minutes 44 seconds, shaving 6 seconds off my previous best time!
Don't compare times mate. You bettered your PB, that is all that matters. Well done.
51 HWT; 6' 4"; 1k= 3:09; 2k= 6:36; 5k= 17:19; 6k= 20:47; 10k= 35:46 30mins= 8,488m 60mins= 16,618m HM= 1:16.47; FM= 2:40:41; 50k= 3:16:09; 100k= 7:52:44; 12hrs = 153km
"You reap what you row"
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