Ranger's training thread

General discussion on Training. How to get better on your erg, how to use your erg to get better at another sport, or anything else about improving your abilities.
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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ausrwr » June 16th, 2010, 8:54 am

If we were relying on your proof pudding, we'd have died of starvation lately.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » June 16th, 2010, 9:00 am

ausrwr wrote:If we were relying on your proof pudding, we'd have died of starvation lately.
No you wouldn't.

I have three WR rows.

So...

Been there, done that.

The rest has been, and always will be, just an extension of that.

The pudding has already been served and eaten--repeatedly.

Now we are on to fourth (fifth, six, severth, etc.) helpings.

Besides me, in recent times, no male, 40-70, with a WR row has ever gotten better--at all.

I did it twice in 2003, setting the 50s lwt WR in February, and then breaking my own record, again and again, in October and November.

Three big helpings of pudding.

Now I am on to the next thing.

No male, 40-70, with a WR row has gotten significantly better after a significant number of years (e.g, a decade)--not in recent times, not ever.

I am going to change that.

As far as the pudding goes, I guess I'm just a glutton.

:D :D

How many more puddings can I serve up for the eating?

We'll soon see.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by bloomp » June 16th, 2010, 9:20 am

Well if you haven't eaten any of that pudding in almost 7 years, why do you have such trouble maintaining weight? I guess in Ranger-world, you can live for almost a decade with no food (and still not make weight).
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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » June 16th, 2010, 9:25 am

bloomp wrote:Well if you haven't eaten any of that pudding in almost 7 years, why do you have such trouble maintaining weight? I guess in Ranger-world, you can live for almost a decade with no food (and still not make weight).
Man cannot live by pudding alone.

:D :D

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by kini62 » June 16th, 2010, 12:10 pm

ranger wrote:
I have three WR rows.

ranger


No you don't. You HAD 3 WR rows that were so short lived they exist only in your mind and on some obscure website. They are as insignificant as you.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » June 16th, 2010, 2:55 pm

kini62 wrote:
ranger wrote:
I have three WR rows.

ranger


No you don't. You HAD 3 WR rows that were so short lived they exist only in your mind and on some obscure website. They are as insignificant as you.

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Not sure what you are referring to.

Two of the WR rows were at major championships--WIRC and BIRC.

The third WR row was an official trial for the United States Indoor Rowing Team.

My WIRC WR lasted for a year and a half.

No one my age and weight at the time has ever equalled my row at BIRC 2003.

I pulled a lightweight 6:28 at just shy of 53 years old.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » June 16th, 2010, 3:01 pm

At the end of this next racing season, I will hold both the 55s lwt and 60s lwt WRs--permanently.

These WRs will be faster than the 50s and 40s lwt WRs, too.

Therefore, the times I will pull for 2K this next year will be out of reach of my competition--forever.

Then I will go one to hold all of the male lwt WRs from tht 65s to the 90s.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by whp4 » June 16th, 2010, 4:11 pm

ranger wrote:At the end of this next racing season, I will hold both the 55s lwt and 60s lwt WRs--permanently.

These WRs will be faster than the 50s and 40s lwt WRs, too.

Therefore, the times I will pull for 2K this next year will be out of reach of my competition--forever.

Then I will go one to hold all of the male lwt WRs from tht 65s to the 90s.

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Of course, these predictions of yours are all total bullshit, but out of curiosity, just WHY do you think you are so special that you are going to set unbreakable records, when you haven't even managed to break Roy's official record (some 4 seconds slower than the unofficial record!)? There's absolutely no reason to believe that someone who actually knows how to row and is willing to spend the same amount of effort couldn't do better than anything you accomplish. You deserve the eternal record because you're the only one misguided enough to spend 4 hours daily for the rest of your life chasing age group records on an exercise machine, is that it?

Given your penchant for prevarication, good luck getting anything you do without independent witnesses accepted as a record by C2!

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » June 16th, 2010, 4:33 pm

whp4 wrote:There's absolutely no reason to believe that someone who actually knows how to row and is willing to spend the same amount of effort couldn't do better than anything you accomplish.
Happy to have these folks as competition.

Who do you have in mind?

My goal is a 6:28 2K on September 1st, _before_ I start to sharpen for BIRC 2010.

Then, I usually get about a dozen seconds over 2K from hard sharpening.

For BIRC 2010, I will be 59.9 years old.

The 55s lwt WR is 6:38.

The 60s lwt WR is 6:42.

Mike VB clearly knows how to row, but at 57 years old, he can only manage 6:50.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by whp4 » June 16th, 2010, 8:20 pm

ranger wrote:
whp4 wrote:There's absolutely no reason to believe that someone who actually knows how to row and is willing to spend the same amount of effort couldn't do better than anything you accomplish.
Happy to have these folks as competition.

Who do you have in mind?

My goal is a 6:28 2K on September 1st, _before_ I start to sharpen for BIRC 2010.

Then, I usually get about a dozen seconds over 2K from hard sharpening.

For BIRC 2010, I will be 59.9 years old.

The 55s lwt WR is 6:38.

The 60s lwt WR is 6:42.

Mike VB clearly knows how to row, but at 57 years old, he can only manage 6:50.

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That's a big FAIL on the reading comprehension section :roll:

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by robertk » June 16th, 2010, 11:59 pm

I've got a fairly dull question about amount of training time you put in. Not to disagree about any of it or deny any claims of times or anything! Can you give me an idea of how long you train on the ergometer a day? Does it vary quite a bit? I'm interested in seeing what the best way to spend around 30-45 minutes daily might be. I am no threat to *any* record or age group standings whatever! Thanks in advance, Bob K.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » June 17th, 2010, 1:32 am

robertk wrote:I've got a fairly dull question about amount of training time you put in. Not to disagree about any of it or deny any claims of times or anything! Can you give me an idea of how long you train on the ergometer a day? Does it vary quite a bit? I'm interested in seeing what the best way to spend around 30-45 minutes daily might be. I am no threat to *any* record or age group standings whatever! Thanks in advance, Bob K.
For physical activity, If you just want to spend 30-45min a day on the ergometer, and that is all (e.g., no cross-training), you have pretty different goals from mine.

Sure, it varies how much time I spend doing physical activity.

But for the last decade, my standard routine has been to do a couple of hours of cross-training to warm up before spending about 90min on the erg.

Before that, I was a marathon runner for 25 years, so I also spent quite a bit of time every day doing physical activity. As a marathon runner, I did usually did about 80 miles a week.

In order to do a good session on the erg, it takes me more than a half hour to warm up, so it would be hard for me to suggest to you how to spend 30min.

I think that four hours a day of physical work makes me feel the best.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » June 17th, 2010, 1:41 am

whp4 wrote:There's absolutely no reason to believe that someone who actually knows how to row and is willing to spend the same amount of effort couldn't do better than anything you accomplish.
If I indeed pull a lightweight 6:16 for 2K this next year, it will halve the normal decline with age in erging as we have seen it to this point, dropping that decline from a second a year over 2K to just a half a second a year over 2K.

Sure, if some top-flight, experienced OTW rower worked maximally across the forty years from 20 to 60, they might equal this accomplishment, but we would certainly know about it, both early on, and continuously throughout their life.

They would pull a lightweight 5:56 at 20, a lightweight 6:01 at 30, a lightweight 6:06 at 40, and a lightweight 6:11 at 50.

In and around the sport, then, it would be impossible for this person to be a surprise.

Before they arrived at 60 years old, they would dominate the male lightweight division in the sport as no one has ever dominated it before for 40 continuous years, holding all of the WRs in all of the male lightweight age divisions from 20 to 55.

6:16 by a 60s lightweight is the equivalent of sub-6 by a 60s heavyweight.

To this point, only one 60s heavyweight has done sub-6:30--Paul Hendershott.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » June 17th, 2010, 3:13 am

Rowing well at 24 spm with a FM heart rate (80% HRR) might be a general characterization of high-quality everyday rowing.

For lightweights, distance training at 12 SPI is rowing well.

For heavyweights, distance training at 15 SPI is rowing well.

For lightweights, at 24 spm, that's 1:47.

For heavyweights, at 24 spm, that's 1:39.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by hjs » June 17th, 2010, 3:25 am

ranger wrote: Before that, I was a marathon runner for 25 years, so I also spent quite a bit of time every day doing physical activity. As a marathon runner, I did usually did about 80 miles a week.



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