Pace boat for 2k

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Robert Peveler
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Pace boat for 2k

Post by Robert Peveler » May 24th, 2019, 9:00 am

I am interested to know how many forum users use a pace boat on the monitor when rowing 2k? I didn't do this originally, but find it helps to reduce my tendency to "fly and die" over this distance.
Looking forward to hearing what views there are on this.

PaulG
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Re: Pace boat for 2k

Post by PaulG » May 24th, 2019, 9:05 am

Sometimes I use it but I often find it annoying, mocking, and nagging. :evil:
I don't need to be told by a machine when I am slowing down. I am aware of my shortfalls.

Regardless, it is a good way to make sure you are consistently on pace.

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Re: Pace boat for 2k

Post by KeithT » May 24th, 2019, 9:29 am

I never use the pace boat for any row - I just keep an eye on my average split pace to see where I am at. I probably analyze the monitor too much, I rarely look away from the screen and the information.
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1 min - 373m, 500m - 1:23.2, 1K - 2:59.8, 4 min - 1265m, 2K - 6:29.9, 5K - 17:27, 30 min - 8277m, 10K - 36:30, 60 min - 16036, HM - 1:20:22

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Re: Pace boat for 2k

Post by Dangerscouse » May 24th, 2019, 1:49 pm

KeithT wrote:
May 24th, 2019, 9:29 am
I never use the pace boat for any row - I just keep an eye on my average split pace to see where I am at. I probably analyze the monitor too much, I rarely look away from the screen and the information.
Exactly the same
45 HWT; 6' 4"; Liverpool 1k= 3:09; 2k= 6:36; 5k= 17:27; 6k= 21:23; 10k= 36:21 30mins= 8,356m 60mins= 16,317m HM= 1:18:40; FM= 2:49:39; 50k= 3:28:18; 100k= 7:52:44; 12hrs = 153km

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Re: Pace boat for 2k

Post by Minimoof123 » May 24th, 2019, 2:44 pm

interesting, I guess we are all different and you find what suits you best, In my early ownership days i would consistently use the re row function and keep a keen eye on the pace boat, a few quick strokes at the start could soon put you ahead and then you just fall into your target pace and stay ahead of the pace boat, job done, and often resulted in better times, even if only by a few secs (mind you I was mostly rowing 10k)

More recently, If i want to attempt PB . I will follow similar and try and re row a previous fast time, you can soon see if you have half a chance of a PB or you are going to be way off,

even more recently tried watching the predicted finish info but didnt enjoy that, have also tried just starting a new session with no pace boat info, but like others may say a lot of this stuff is in your head. dont listen to the chimp

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Re: Pace boat for 2k

Post by Anth_F » May 24th, 2019, 5:16 pm

Dangerscouse wrote:
May 24th, 2019, 1:49 pm
KeithT wrote:
May 24th, 2019, 9:29 am
I just keep an eye on my average split pace to see where I am at. I probably analyze the monitor too much, I rarely look away from the screen and the information.
Exactly the same
Haha same here... even thinking i might have OCD regarding this tbh :D :lol:
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Re: Pace boat for 2k

Post by RayOfSunshine » May 24th, 2019, 8:47 pm

Anth_F wrote:
May 24th, 2019, 5:16 pm
Dangerscouse wrote:
May 24th, 2019, 1:49 pm
KeithT wrote:
May 24th, 2019, 9:29 am
I just keep an eye on my average split pace to see where I am at. I probably analyze the monitor too much, I rarely look away from the screen and the information.
Exactly the same
Haha same here... even thinking i might have OCD regarding this tbh :D :lol:
Y'all are not alone! :lol:
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Re: Pace boat for 2k

Post by jamesg » May 25th, 2019, 12:25 am

it helps to reduce my tendency to "fly and die" over this distance.
That's the key point. 2k is a long way and can't be done flat out, so even if we set a paceboat for a reasonable time, it will pay to go slower in the middle 1000. Time trials are not races, they are done to find a strategy that works well, adjusting next time if needed.

When racing it's often useful to have something in hand for the last 500. At least we'll pass all those who think 2k is a sprint.
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Re: Pace boat for 2k

Post by Dino » May 25th, 2019, 1:10 am

Only use occasionally... I think it has a few drawbacks:
The pace shown is only per interval. So for 2k, will only show pace for each for each quarter, it's not a continuous readout of the pace you were at before. I guess this is because the Monitor or USB only stores the intervals, unlike Ergdata which stores much more data. This hinders re row IMO so you can't row exactly the profile you did before? If this feature was on Ergdata you could 're row exactly the same profile again.
There is no sense of scale as to how far you are ahead or behind. If it had e.g a plus or minus figure as part of the display would be more useful.
On other longer distances it doesn't scale. if you are so far ahead or behind then the pace boat disappears off the screen.
It could be much better implemented, e.g. as another screen on Ergdata.
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500m (63rd), 1k (64th), 2k (73rd), 5k (83rd), 30m (84th), 10k (82nd), 60m (76th), HM (85th), FM (72nd)

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Re: Pace boat for 2k

Post by Robert Peveler » May 27th, 2019, 9:51 am

Many thanks all for interesting responses.
For most other pieces of work I tend to use "Rerow" and try to maintain my paces/times roughly, but don't use the pace boat.
With 2k, whilst it is a long way, I find it harder to think about splits and times - I have tended in the past just to aim at a "target" finish time, and sometimes this works OK and sometimes it doesn't. The point about only having 4x500m paces is an important one, but at least it means you can ease off in the middle 1000 without falling too far back, and I also like being able to see what the minimum pace for the final 500 is.
So I think I will try it again, but not be wedded to it.

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Re: Pace boat for 2k

Post by JimS » May 27th, 2019, 8:17 pm

I use the average pace time the most. Generally i will have a plan for exactly what average i should be at for every part of the row.

I also focus a lot on the finish time. You should try and know exactly what finish time matches what target average pace.

Finish time is also more specific than the pace.
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2k: 6:43.1 5k: 17:32.7

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