Tips for a shorter rower

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Tips for a shorter rower

Post by winniewinser » September 12th, 2019, 8:11 am

Hi,

I have encouraged my wife to try rowing as a way of getting fitter and she wants to lose some weight (her words not mine before I get shot down! :roll: ). Unfortunately she is vertically challenged at only 4'11" and the rower is not really registering much of stroke. Any tips for a littlun?

She completed 3.5km yesterday in about 23mins having previously only gone to 2km and seems to be enjoying it which is the main thing.

DF is down below 100 atm.
SR was circa 28-32...maybe due to the length of stroke.

I also got her onto the Skierg but had to reach the handles for her at the start :lol: .

Any advice gratefully received.
78kg, 6"2" Male, 1972, 1min=327m, 1km=3:30.6, 2km=6:58.5, 5km=18:36.9, 10km=38:26.7, 60' 14,976m, HM 1:26:04.6
Goals - 6:55 2km, sub 18:00 5km, sub 38:00 10km, complete FM

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Re: Tips for a shorter rower

Post by KeithT » September 12th, 2019, 9:13 am

winniewinser wrote:
September 12th, 2019, 8:11 am
Hi,

I have encouraged my wife to try rowing as a way of getting fitter and she wants to lose some weight (her words not mine before I get shot down! :roll: ). Unfortunately she is vertically challenged at only 4'11" and the rower is not really registering much of stroke. Any tips for a littlun?

She completed 3.5km yesterday in about 23mins having previously only gone to 2km and seems to be enjoying it which is the main thing.

DF is down below 100 atm.
SR was circa 28-32...maybe due to the length of stroke.

I also got her onto the Skierg but had to reach the handles for her at the start :lol: .

Any advice gratefully received.
I cant relate to being vertically challenged but I have helped many people at my gym that are. You seem to have addressed two things that are important - stroke rate and DF - many at my gym tried to row at a DF way too high and used a low stroke rate - they tried to over power the stroke and a simple change improved their rowing greatly. So, seeing that you are on a good path with your wife there, it's about the basics, just getting the form down and getting meters in. Others might have more specific ideas for shorter rowers but I think ensuring she was not trying to over power the stroke was a good first step.
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Re: Tips for a shorter rower

Post by mitchel674 » September 12th, 2019, 9:24 am

My best advice is to have her row and watch the force curve. Despite her height, she should be able to generate a decent curve by focusing on the push from her legs at the catch. This helped my daughter when she got on the rower at age 12.
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Re: Tips for a shorter rower

Post by Cyclist2 » September 12th, 2019, 11:13 am

The erg doesn't care how small, big, tall, short, fat, skinny you are. You get out of it what you put into it.

Starting with low DF is smart.

Good technique is important when learning. Don't worry about speed, power, or stroke rate until she's mastered the basic stroke and can repeat it consistently. By then her endurance will be a little better and she can start thinking about all the rest.

THE most important thing, however, is to have fun with it. It's a fantastic workout but not if you don't enjoy it. All sorts of motivating challenges, rankings, games, etc. to encourage the fun aspect of it after the newness has worn off.

Good luck, and have fun!
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Re: Tips for a shorter rower

Post by hjs » September 12th, 2019, 12:00 pm

Main thing, shorter people have a smaller frame, so less mass to put energy in the fan.

This means, expect slower time, use a higher rating and keep the drag on the lower side. For the rest, its the same, nomatter what height, the base movement stays the same.
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Re: Tips for a shorter rower

Post by Ombrax » September 12th, 2019, 9:22 pm

Remind her that she isn't competing against you, or anyone else, just herself.

Suggest that she keep a log and track her progress - she'll see her improvement over time, which should provide even more motivation.

One of the good things about being a newbie is that at the beginning the changes come quickly, so you can really feel good about yourself. (assuming you're putting in any reasonable amount of effort) The improvements don't truly taper of until way down the road, at which point she'll hopefully already be hooked.

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Re: Tips for a shorter rower

Post by winniewinser » September 13th, 2019, 2:28 am

Thanks all for the words of advice. Hopefully she will continue to enjoy rowing. I'm keeping a log of her stats but not really pushing them right now as she is happy to just row at the moment.

Cheers
78kg, 6"2" Male, 1972, 1min=327m, 1km=3:30.6, 2km=6:58.5, 5km=18:36.9, 10km=38:26.7, 60' 14,976m, HM 1:26:04.6
Goals - 6:55 2km, sub 18:00 5km, sub 38:00 10km, complete FM

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Re: Tips for a shorter rower

Post by hobbit » September 13th, 2019, 4:02 am

As a shorter rower myself, I sympathise, although it sounds like your wife is not bothering about going fast, which is very sensible of her.

One factor unmentioned so far is the foot position. As I understand it, the ball of the foot should be over the hinge, which means setting the foot plates in a high position for smaller feet. I use position 1.

Also I find doing the slow rates very challenging, compared to what the monsters that are around here manage :lol: . But that might not be size related.

Good luck to her!
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Re: Tips for a shorter rower

Post by nick rockliff » September 13th, 2019, 3:18 pm

Back in around 2005/06 there was a guy called Alex Hall (brother of strong man Eddie Hall) whos' mother Helen was also doing the race circuit. She was lwt, 5 feet tall and in her early 40s. She was doing 2k in sub 7.30.

Check her out in the rankings, Helen Hall from the in Team Oarsome UK.
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50-59 PBs - 2k 6.24.3 - 5k 16.55.4 - 6k 20.34.2 - 10k 35.19.0 - 30min 8633 - 60min 16685 - HM 76.48.7
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Re: Tips for a shorter rower

Post by winniewinser » September 13th, 2019, 4:50 pm

No doubt there are top rowers who are vertically challenged...this one is just starting out and her flexibility and breathing (asthmatic too) has plenty of room for progression.

The little lady completed another 3.5km tonight and 45s quicker than last time.

Thanks again for the tips
78kg, 6"2" Male, 1972, 1min=327m, 1km=3:30.6, 2km=6:58.5, 5km=18:36.9, 10km=38:26.7, 60' 14,976m, HM 1:26:04.6
Goals - 6:55 2km, sub 18:00 5km, sub 38:00 10km, complete FM

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Re: Tips for a shorter rower

Post by Tim huges » September 13th, 2019, 5:07 pm

High heels?!
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Re: Tips for a shorter rower

Post by Anth_F » September 13th, 2019, 5:18 pm

This'll do the trick :wink:

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Re: Tips for a shorter rower

Post by winniewinser » September 13th, 2019, 5:21 pm

Lol....yep time to dig out the platforms :lol:
78kg, 6"2" Male, 1972, 1min=327m, 1km=3:30.6, 2km=6:58.5, 5km=18:36.9, 10km=38:26.7, 60' 14,976m, HM 1:26:04.6
Goals - 6:55 2km, sub 18:00 5km, sub 38:00 10km, complete FM

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Re: Tips for a shorter rower

Post by Tim huges » September 13th, 2019, 5:28 pm

Anth_F wrote:
September 13th, 2019, 5:18 pm
This'll do the trick :wink:

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Might have a go...id be 6'4" with that fucker!
34yrs 6ft 250lbs England
Started Jan 2019
500m 1:31.6
2k 6:41.0
10k 37:34
HM 1:28:58

KEEP CALM AND 30R20

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Re: Tips for a shorter rower

Post by Tim huges » September 13th, 2019, 5:30 pm

winniewinser wrote:
September 13th, 2019, 5:21 pm
Lol....yep time to dig out the platforms :lol:
There an asian midget that goes my gym...cant be anymore than 4ft tall. He started using the erg recently...not gunna lie, its the funniest thing ive seen in ages!
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Started Jan 2019
500m 1:31.6
2k 6:41.0
10k 37:34
HM 1:28:58

KEEP CALM AND 30R20

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