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Is it possible to drop 1 minute from my 2k in 2 years?

Posted: February 13th, 2020, 11:23 pm
by bri122
I am currently a sophomore in high school. My height is around 5’9” and I weight about 159 lbs. I was wondering if it is possible for me to get around a 6:30 2k by the time I am in my senior year. My current 2k is around 7:30 and I currently row for 5 days a week every week. When summer starts, I plan on lowering that to 3-4 days a week. Is it possible for me to achieve my goal?

Re: Is it possible to drop 1 minute from my 2k in 2 years?

Posted: February 14th, 2020, 4:49 am
by hjs
bri122 wrote:
February 13th, 2020, 11:23 pm
I am currently a sophomore in high school. My height is around 5’9” and I weight about 159 lbs. I was wondering if it is possible for me to get around a 6:30 2k by the time I am in my senior year. My current 2k is around 7:30 and I currently row for 5 days a week every week. When summer starts, I plan on lowering that to 3-4 days a week. Is it possible for me to achieve my goal?
Unlikely, thats a huge drop in time, only when you are super unfit right now is such a performance improvement doable.

Re: Is it possible to drop 1 minute from my 2k in 2 years?

Posted: February 14th, 2020, 5:22 am
by winniewinser
bri122 wrote:
February 13th, 2020, 11:23 pm
I am currently a sophomore in high school. My height is around 5’9” and I weight about 159 lbs. I was wondering if it is possible for me to get around a 6:30 2k by the time I am in my senior year. My current 2k is around 7:30 and I currently row for 5 days a week every week. When summer starts, I plan on lowering that to 3-4 days a week. Is it possible for me to achieve my goal?
That's a big jump.....just breaking 7mins is a huge milestone for most people and then it gets increasingly difficult after that....6:55....6:50....etc etc

Are you following a plan at the moment or just rowing distance? There are lots of good plans around that would focus on lowering your 2KM time but even then it does depend on the level you are starting at. If you are not fit and are hitting 7:30 then you can certainly go lower.....if you're a fit young person and can just hit 7:30 then it may be tough.

I started rowing seriously in July last year with a 2KM of 7:23 and I am 6'2", 47yo, not that fit and at the time around 84KG. After 6 months of hard work following the Beginners Pete Plan (Google it) I have managed to get that down to 6:53.5. From here on it will be baby steps to get it lower. I am not physically strong so have to rely on good technique and fitness to maintain the splits required.

Target are good though....maybe just break them down into smaller milestones....7:15....7:00....6:50.....otherwise it can seem daunting and un-achievable.

Good luck!

Re: Is it possible to drop 1 minute from my 2k in 2 years?

Posted: February 14th, 2020, 5:41 am
by Dangerscouse
As you already sound like you're not a beginner to rowing, and a LWT rower I agree it's unlikely that you will be able to drop that much but I can't say it's impossible if you really want it badly enough and circumstances swing in your favour, admittedly it would have to be a dramatic swing. As Alex has mentioned the drop in times is exponential, and not linear, as you get closer to your physical limits so it takes a lot more effort to achieve faster results.

I assume you're circa 15 years old so you (hopefully) do have a some more growing to do still, both on height and bulking up.

Under no circumstances give up and assume you can't do it until it is absolutely impossible to achieve it. It is unlikely, but unlikely events do happen so keep chipping away and stay focused. Michael Jordan was dropped from his high school basketball team so hope should always spring eternal.

Re: Is it possible to drop 1 minute from my 2k in 2 years?

Posted: February 14th, 2020, 5:58 am
by lindsayh
don't worry about the final goal - way too daunting - just set some intermediate ones that are more achievable and won't set you up to fail
reducing your training is not likely to be helpful though - you will have to train smart and hard.
Even 20/30" in the next year would be great. you have the advantage of youth and you are still growing.

Re: Is it possible to drop 1 minute from my 2k in 2 years?

Posted: February 14th, 2020, 9:59 am
by ampire
bri122 wrote:
February 13th, 2020, 11:23 pm
I am currently a sophomore in high school. My height is around 5’9” and I weight about 159 lbs. I was wondering if it is possible for me to get around a 6:30 2k by the time I am in my senior year. My current 2k is around 7:30 and I currently row for 5 days a week every week. When summer starts, I plan on lowering that to 3-4 days a week. Is it possible for me to achieve my goal?
You might grow a few more inches. If you really want it, maybe keep rowing 4-5 days a week during the summer on the erg?

Re: Is it possible to drop 1 minute from my 2k in 2 years?

Posted: February 14th, 2020, 2:53 pm
by lancecampeau
In Jan 2017, my first 2K was a 9:32... that dropped to 7:28 about 5 months later. Largely, because of improvements in stroke efficiency.

In reality... I probably would have pulled around 7:50 to 8:00 my first time out if I had been using the right stroke technique from the beginning. It took another full year to develop the power and cardio required to get down to 6:53.5

The difference in effort required to go from a 9:32 to a 6:53.5 was large... but I suggest that the effort required to go from a 7:30 down to 6:30 would be much greater.

Re: Is it possible to drop 1 minute from my 2k in 2 years?

Posted: February 14th, 2020, 5:07 pm
by ampire
He does have a big advantage in his youth so he can manage more training sessions per week.

Re: Is it possible to drop 1 minute from my 2k in 2 years?

Posted: February 14th, 2020, 5:18 pm
by nick rockliff
I would say yes to the OP question if it had been 7.45 down to 6.45 but 7.30 to 6.30 off 3 to 4 session a week is asking a lot.

You have also got to ask yourself if you have the physiological attributes to be able to achieve this goal?

Re: Is it possible to drop 1 minute from my 2k in 2 years?

Posted: February 14th, 2020, 6:29 pm
by jackarabit
I suggest you pray for a growth spurt rather than place TOO much faith in time on your side. Need to train in either case.

Re: Is it possible to drop 1 minute from my 2k in 2 years?

Posted: February 14th, 2020, 7:04 pm
by Ombrax
7:30 = 1:52.5 / 500m = 245.8 Watts

6:30 = 1:37.5 / 500m = 377.6 Watts

377.6 / 245.8 = 1.536

So you'd have to increase your avg power over 2k by a factor of more than 50%. That's a pretty tall order.

If you were a total noob, and totally out of shape, with horrible technique than I'd say that increasing your 2k power by x 1.5 would be a reasonable goal, but you aren't, so I think it will be a challenge. Not impossible, but tough, tough, tough.

Good Luck

Re: Is it possible to drop 1 minute from my 2k in 2 years?

Posted: February 15th, 2020, 1:36 am
by max_ratcliffe
I think it depends on how fully-developed you are. If you put on 6" and 20-30lb of muscle in the next couple of years, then that's quite a different case from if you're nearly fully grown. (Everyone is assuming you're male - if you're a 15 yo girl, I think we can safely say that you won't do 6'30" as a LWT, as it'd be a world record by >20s).

I agree with Lindsay and Alex. Set yourself some milestones on the way that will be demanding but achievable, so you can have fun along the way. The ultimate goal may be 6'30", but 7'20" or 7'15" would be a great achievement as a first goal.

Good luck. Stick around and let us know how you go.

Re: Is it possible to drop 1 minute from my 2k in 2 years?

Posted: February 15th, 2020, 2:41 am
by jamesg
I am currently a sophomore in high school.
You look a good size to get into a LW quad. Does your school have that type of boat and adequate coaching? If so that's how to get on. Stay away from sweep and ergs if you can.

Re: Is it possible to drop 1 minute from my 2k in 2 years?

Posted: February 15th, 2020, 7:27 am
by Gammmmo
bri122 wrote:
February 13th, 2020, 11:23 pm
I am currently a sophomore in high school. My height is around 5’9” and I weight about 159 lbs. I was wondering if it is possible for me to get around a 6:30 2k by the time I am in my senior year. My current 2k is around 7:30 and I currently row for 5 days a week every week. When summer starts, I plan on lowering that to 3-4 days a week. Is it possible for me to achieve my goal?
Doubt it. As said, you are somewhat trained, so I'd expect plenty of people like you to be faster already than 7:30. If there was low-hanging fruit like the fact your technqiue is bad, or your training is poor, or diet is off etc then you'd have a great chance to get sub7, maybe even 6:45ish but 6:30 is pushing it for most LWTs. You'd need to be above average physiologically and if you were I'd say it'd be more obvious by now. Sorry. The flip-side to this is IF you genuinely have a burning desire to focus many aspect of your life so that rowing is prioritised very highly, you can get alot faster. Isn't that great motivation? Would you not want to prove people wrong? If you have that fire, you may not get 6:30 but you could get pretty fast. Is that a journey you'd still enjoy? There would be lots of benefits along the way.

Re: Is it possible to drop 1 minute from my 2k in 2 years?

Posted: February 15th, 2020, 10:16 am
by ampire
I think the mind is a big component, and if you don't like people telling you what is and is not possible it gives you a fuel and desire to try to prove them wrong. Leverage your youth and push more training sessions for the summer so you continue to progress.