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Post by DavidA » June 23rd, 2008, 4:33 pm

Tinpusher wrote:HM PB 1:18:50.4 r25 1:52.1
PB by 3:43.2 :D
That 2 s / 500 m slower than your 60 PB, but only about 30% more distance. You must have been slacking off :P :D .
Congratulations on the PB, and a great time!

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New 1000m in 3:44.4

Post by BrianStaff » June 24th, 2008, 10:42 pm

New 1000m in 3:44.4

Dist SPM HR Split
1000 31 153 01:52.2
200 35 146 01:42.5
400 30 152 01:55.0
600 30 155 01:56.5
800 30 156 01:54.5
1000 31 156 01:52.5

I had planned on sprinting the first and last 150 and maybe the middle 100 or so. But the initial 150 sprint during which I felt OK, but then I started to doubt my ability. So, I just slowed to about 1:55 ish and tried to keep it until the end, which i was able to do.

I beat my old PB by 15 seconds, so I'm quite pleased with that.

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M 65 / 6'3" / 234lbs as of Feb 14, 2008...now 212
Started Rowing: 2/22/2008
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PB: 500m 1:44.0 2K 7:57.1 5K 20:58.7 30' 6866m

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Re: New 1000m in 3:44.4

Post by iain » June 26th, 2008, 1:13 pm

BrianStaff wrote:New 1000m in 3:44.4

Dist SPM HR Split
1000 31 153 01:52.2
200 35 146 01:42.5
400 30 152 01:55.0
600 30 155 01:56.5
800 30 156 01:54.5
1000 31 156 01:52.5

I had planned on sprinting the first and last 150 and maybe the middle 100 or so. But the initial 150 sprint during which I felt OK, but then I started to doubt my ability. So, I just slowed to about 1:55 ish and tried to keep it until the end, which i was able to do.
Congratulations on your PB :D , but I would have thought you did it the hard way and could go even quicker. :twisted:

Each to there own, but you get plenty of oxygen debt on a 1k without an opening sprint. This meant you had to carry the pain through the whole interval! You need to get the ergo moving quickly, but most people do this with rating rather than power. Also as the alactic energy only lasts 5-10s, backing off to race pace quickly stops this hurting too much.

As Mike has demonstrated going out hard costs, while finishing hard doesn't, so a flat out sprint is worth it at the end of any trial. I have managed lumbering sprints even with numb legs which are refusing to drive by upping the rating and thrashing around like a mad thing!

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Re: New 1000m in 3:44.4

Post by BrianStaff » June 26th, 2008, 1:25 pm

iain wrote: Congratulations on your PB :D , but I would have thought you did it the hard way and could go even quicker. :twisted:
Yes, I agree...the hard way, especially after later reading a thread on the UK forum about how to pace a 1K.

I will know for next time - five speedy strokes and then negative splitting.

We all live and learn. Thanks for the comments.

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PB: 500m 1:44.0 2K 7:57.1 5K 20:58.7 30' 6866m

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Post by Heaviestuser » June 26th, 2008, 1:26 pm

Hi All,

Today I rowed a seasonal best.

5K 20.55.8 @ Damper 4
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Easy does it
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1:43:0 500M
3:39:9 1K
7:40:9 2 K
20:11:2 5 K
25:30:9 6 K
44:04:7 10 K
1:39:3 HM

Lifetime 4,163,758 meters

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Post by Tinpusher » June 26th, 2008, 3:50 pm

DavidA wrote: That 2 s / 500 m slower than your 60 PB, but only about 30% more distance. You must have been slacking off :P :D .
Congratulations on the PB, and a great time!
Thanks! That might have something to do with the 20 seconds I lost stretching out my numb butt with about 8K to go. :wink:
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Post by iain » June 27th, 2008, 5:58 am

Tinpusher wrote:..That might have something to do with the 20 seconds I lost stretching out my numb butt with about 8K to go. :wink:
What's wrong with being numb, that's one part that isn't hurting! :lol:

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Post by V5CVBB » July 1st, 2008, 11:40 am

Tried my first 100m last night. 16.2s then 15.9s. Low pull was 1:17. Best 5k was a couple days ago, 19:58.7 and was actually paced pretty well. My sprint finish was about 1:54 for the last few pulls.

Nothing that hurts this bad should be this much fun.

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Post by Nosmo » July 3rd, 2008, 1:22 pm

1000m 3:22 1:41.0 ave 36 spm
Splits:
1:40.2 34
1:41.0 36
1:41.0 36
1:41.2 36
1:41.5 39
I knew I started too fast. It wasn't exactly a crash an burn, I just slowed a bit and didn't have anything at all for a sprint. If the splits were reversed I would have been happy with the pacing, if not the time.

My plan had been to knock a few seconds off my 2000m PB of 7:01.4 that I set two weeks ago. However after doing a 6.5K warmup and still not feel very good I knew I didn't have it in me. I stayed up very late dealing with what turned out to be a dead router, and was woken up too early by my dogs. I also may not have been fully recovered from my 20K with 3x12' interval OTW row on Tuesday. I decided to try a 1000m instead. Since I haven't done a 1K for over a decade I knew I would get a PB even with a bad row. (I don't count my times from my much younger days in my PBs).


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1K 3:22 (1:41.0) 2 Jul 08
2K 7:01.4 (1:45.3) 19 Jun 08
5K 18:27.7 (1:50.8) 12 Mar 08
10K 38:57.7 (1:53.8) 20 Mar 08



As is my tradition when setting a PR, I re-read this:
from http://launchexhaust.blogspot.com/2007/ ... -test.html

Anon:

In my experience, those who spend lots of time bragging on their erg scores usually have some other sort of issue that needs to be addressed. Either technical, or mental.

My point, young man, is that nobody wants a braggart in their boat. That's not what rowing is about. I've rowed with and seen plenty of your type before. When the coach mentions a technical problem, you smirk to yourself and think, I'm fine, I'll just pull harder. After practice, you talk with one or two other people, complaining that somebody doesn't belong in the boat and they're not pulling hard enough.

Frankly, BOY, you haven't won s***, you're too young to know s*** and your arrogance displayed here reveals a character flaw that leads me to predict your rowing career won't last much beyond some mediocre time spent in a second or third boat. Oh, I'm sure that some coach at a high-level institution will see your great erg score and get fooled into thinking you're something special. That is, if you have the grades to get in, which I doubt. However, you will get beaten in seat races by men who are quiet, row well, match up with the crew and are 20 seconds slower than you on the almighty erg. Your coach will shake his head, try to put you in the varsity, and give up after losing a few races.

This blog is a forum to talk about rowing, coaching and exchange ideas. Not anonymous spray-painting on the walls. But here's the part where you prove what kind of person you are: You'll do one of three things.

1) Slink off, thinking "what a loser, I don't need to prove anything to him." When we're all thinking the same thing about you.

2) Post some sort of childish retort, complete with the phantom races that you've won, but keeping your school/name out of it. Kind of like how you DO have a girlfriend, but she just goes to another school. And you don't want to tell anybody her name.

3) Grow up, say I'm sorry about coming off like as ass. Go talk to your coach and honestly ask him how you can make your *team* better. Realize that there will ALWAYS be somebody with a faster erg score and you'd better figure out how to make the boat move and move with your teammates. Somehow, I doubt this will be the end result.

Don't come in here bragging about being a big dog, son. The only bragging that goes on here is about somebody's TEAM. If you want everything to be all about you, then you're in the wrong sport.

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Post by tomhz » July 3rd, 2008, 5:10 pm

Nosmo,

great tradition!

BTW: He chose nr 2. :lol:

Tom

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Post by Nosmo » July 3rd, 2008, 6:17 pm

tomhz wrote:Nosmo,

great tradition!

BTW: He chose nr 2. :lol:

Tom
All the kid did was post his age and time and he gets ripped a new one. Frankly I think the coach came off as a bigger jerk then the kid, even if he does have a point. Wouldn't want him to coach my kid.

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Post by PaulG » July 5th, 2008, 11:01 pm

I'm in the 8th week of a 16 week interactive program from the UK site. The workout called for 4x1.5 at an AN pace. For the first interval I decided to go for an all out 500 m test. I improved to 1:38.1(38 spm) from 1:40.5.

Now the question. In my oxygen starved brain I felt like I was shortening my stroke by not coming all the way up the slide for the catch resulting in what I consider to be a high stroke rate of 38 SPM. Was this a good idea or was I just thrashing around? Would I have done better with a longer stroke and lower SPM?

52 YO, 167 pounds. I think I will be sore tomorrow because I finished the other three intervals.

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Re: New 1000m in 3:44.4

Post by johnlvs2run » July 6th, 2008, 12:00 am

iain wrote:You need to get the ergo moving quickly, but most people do this with rating rather than power.
I'm wondering how you'd get the pace going quickly with no power.
PaulG wrote:I felt like I was shortening my stroke by not coming all the way up the slide for the catch resulting in what I consider to be a high stroke rate of 38 SPM. Was this a good idea
Yes, you went faster, and 38 spm is not all that high for 500 meters.
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Post by Heaviestuser » July 6th, 2008, 7:55 am

Hi All,

Today I rowed a seasonal best.

2K 7.53.0 @ Damper 8
Heaviestuser

Easy does it
---------------
1:43:0 500M
3:39:9 1K
7:40:9 2 K
20:11:2 5 K
25:30:9 6 K
44:04:7 10 K
1:39:3 HM

Lifetime 4,163,758 meters

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Power / rating

Post by iain » July 7th, 2008, 3:01 am

John Rupp wrote:
iain wrote:You need to get the ergo moving quickly, but most people do this with rating rather than power.
I'm wondering how you'd get the pace going quickly with no power...
As amended in a similar comment on anoother thread in response to your similar comment, by "power" I am refering to power per stroke (or to explain why I use the terms {somewhat sloppily I admit} interchangeably, lower peak power or work per drive. The "power" on the monitor is average power and with a lower rating but the same power per drive, the same "useful work" is averaged over a longer period and hence the average power is reduced). Thus the average power is increased by taking the rating up maybe 25% while no stroke (except possibly the first, but this is so different I can't compare it) is significantly more powerful than I intend to use for the majority of the race.

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