Skierg vs running times

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Skierg vs running times

Post by Sapling » October 5th, 2019, 2:18 pm

Hey, is anyone running regularly and doing skierg also ?

Are you faster on the skierg or when you run ? My times between the two are pretty similar, but I don't think my case is representative.

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Re: Skierg vs running times

Post by hjs » October 7th, 2019, 4:51 am

Sapling wrote:
October 5th, 2019, 2:18 pm
Hey, is anyone running regularly and doing skierg also ?

Are you faster on the skierg or when you run ? My times between the two are pretty similar, but I don't think my case is representative.

Thanks for your returns
Almost would think there is a inverse relation between the two, the best skiergers are heavy, which will make a poor runner.
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Re: Skierg vs running times

Post by johnlvs2run » October 7th, 2019, 11:02 pm

I'm a long time runner, and took up the Skierg due to not being able to run anymore. I especially like the Skierg because it's very complementary to running. Almost all of the top cross country skiers in the world, are also quite good at running There are many examples. Top Norwegian XC skier Therese Johaug recently won her country's national championship in the track 10,000 meters. I was hoping she'd run in the World Champs this past week but she didn't. Ingrid Kristiansen from Norway was an International class cross country skier, before focusing on running, and later smashed the world records for the 5k, 10k, and the marathon

The average weight of a male international class cross country skier is 165 pounds.

The Pm5 doesn't account for weight, and shows pace based on absolute weight, rather than pace per weight. However, it is easy to calculate pace (watts) per weight and to get a good comparison with others in the same division. Based on pace per weight, one of the fastest in the age 70 plus division weighs 148 pounds. The top three weigh between 148 and 175 pounds. Excess weight is a "huge" disadvantage when pace is calculated based on watts per weight, the same as it would be with running and with cross country skiing.

Skierg times are not comparable to running, (1) due to the watts per weight issue, and (2) because the Skierg was not calibrated to reflect the real world times that would be done on a cross country skiing course. Therese Johaug has done 25 minutes on a cross country ski course, and ran 32 minutes in her first competitive 10k race on the track. The fastest time for a woman of her size on the Skierg is probably 40 plus minutes. Based on that, and my own running history, running times in general for an athletic person are usually much faster than times on the Skierg.

Regardless of that, were I still running and competing, I would definitely also use the Skierg as a part of my training.
73 5'8 155
age 70+ world record pace per weight percentages
skierg: 100m 87.4 / 500m 86.2 / 1k 85.9 / 2k 89.4 / 5k 87.6 / 30' 89.6 / 10k 89.4 / 60' 92.0 / 21k 93.6
bikeerg: 4k 82.1 / 30' 87.0 . . . my training log

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Re: Skierg vs running times

Post by hjs » October 8th, 2019, 4:04 am

Crosscountry ski and ski erg are very different. Crosscountry is about the legs and moving your own bodyweight.
Skierg is upperbody strenght and fitness, legs don,t do that much. And is about absolute poweroutput, how much big the body is that does that does not matter to the machine.
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