First sub6 skierg 2k

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First sub6 skierg 2k

Post by hjs » February 4th, 2020, 7:22 am

James Hall, (yes the brother from Eddy)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cNfxBvRNdf8

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Re: First sub6 skierg 2k

Post by max_ratcliffe » February 4th, 2020, 7:28 am

hjs wrote:
February 4th, 2020, 7:22 am
James Hall, (yes the brother from Eddy)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cNfxBvRNdf8
Sheesh - I didn't think that was possible, given how little the legs contribute to the SkiErg movement. He's a big unit, although the fitness must be pretty outstanding too. Isn't he a rugby player primarily?
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Rower 1'=329m; 500m=1:34.0; 1k=3:25:1; 2k=7:16.5; 5k=19:44; 6k=23:24; 30'=7534m; 10k=40.28; 60'=14621m; HM=1:27:46
SkiErg 1'=298m; 500m=1:42.4; 1k=TBC; 2k=7:43.8; 5k=20:34.8; 6k=TBC; 30'=TBC; 10k=42:50; 60'=TBC; HM=NGTFH

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Re: First sub6 skierg 2k

Post by hjs » February 4th, 2020, 7:52 am

max_ratcliffe wrote:
February 4th, 2020, 7:28 am
hjs wrote:
February 4th, 2020, 7:22 am
James Hall, (yes the brother from Eddy)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cNfxBvRNdf8
Sheesh - I didn't think that was possible, given how little the legs contribute to the SkiErg movement. He's a big unit, although the fitness must be pretty outstanding too. Isn't he a rugby player primarily?
He was yes, but is not seriously working on the skierg. Has a 200 plus bench. The skierg is still relative new, times are not set, records are lowered rapidly. Look at the rankings, a few guys are doing well. Think this is just the beginning.

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Re: First sub6 skierg 2k

Post by max_ratcliffe » February 4th, 2020, 8:06 am

hjs wrote:
February 4th, 2020, 7:52 am
max_ratcliffe wrote:
February 4th, 2020, 7:28 am
hjs wrote:
February 4th, 2020, 7:22 am
James Hall, (yes the brother from Eddy)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cNfxBvRNdf8
Sheesh - I didn't think that was possible, given how little the legs contribute to the SkiErg movement. He's a big unit, although the fitness must be pretty outstanding too. Isn't he a rugby player primarily?
He was yes, but is not seriously working on the skierg. Has a 200 plus bench. The skierg is still relative new, times are not set, records are lowered rapidly. Look at the rankings, a few guys are doing well. Think this is just the beginning.
Old gym is auctioning off its gear tomorrow, but the SkiErg is already nearly as expensive as new. Was rather hoping it would go cheaply. Won't be buying it unfortunately.
50 HWT
PBs:
Rower 1'=329m; 500m=1:34.0; 1k=3:25:1; 2k=7:16.5; 5k=19:44; 6k=23:24; 30'=7534m; 10k=40.28; 60'=14621m; HM=1:27:46
SkiErg 1'=298m; 500m=1:42.4; 1k=TBC; 2k=7:43.8; 5k=20:34.8; 6k=TBC; 30'=TBC; 10k=42:50; 60'=TBC; HM=NGTFH

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Re: First sub6 skierg 2k

Post by kini62 » February 5th, 2020, 5:17 pm

Quite impressive aerobic performance for such a large man.
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Re: First sub6 skierg 2k

Post by Dangerscouse » February 6th, 2020, 7:30 am

kini62 wrote:
February 5th, 2020, 5:17 pm
Quite impressive aerobic performance for such a large man.
Only 'quite impressive'? Wow, you're hard to please :wink:

Having tried to go that pace on a skierg for just one stroke I know that this is a massive performance. I can just about hold 1:32 for 30 secs and that is more or less my limit. I know my aerobic fitness isn't elite, but it's not bad either.
47 HWT; 6' 4"; 1k= 3:09; 2k= 6:36; 5k= 17:24; 6k= 21:09; 10k= 35:46 30mins= 8,428m 60mins= 16,461m HM= 1:16.47; FM= 2:44:04; 50k= 3:16:09; 100k= 7:52:44; 12hrs = 153km

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Re: First sub6 skierg 2k

Post by hjs » February 6th, 2020, 9:35 am

Dangerscouse wrote:
February 6th, 2020, 7:30 am
kini62 wrote:
February 5th, 2020, 5:17 pm
Quite impressive aerobic performance for such a large man.
Only 'quite impressive'? Wow, you're hard to please :wink:

Having tried to go that pace on a skierg for just one stroke I know that this is a massive performance. I can just about hold 1:32 for 30 secs and that is more or less my limit. I know my aerobic fitness isn't elite, but it's not bad either.
You need big upperbody strenght to pull super fast times. Fitness is not enough. Most very fit guys lack upperbody strenght.
How much can you bench!

Most fast skiergers are strong or very strong. And the ones that are superfit can be good on the longer stuff, but not on the sprints.

Those guys pull sub 1.10 pace easily, even around 1.05, nomatter you need lots of raw strenght to get that done.

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Re: First sub6 skierg 2k

Post by johnlvs2run » February 6th, 2020, 11:50 am

kini62 wrote:
February 5th, 2020, 5:17 pm
Quite impressive aerobic performance for such a large man.
I agree with this. He didn't post his weight, but his brother weighs 380 to 440+ pounds.

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Re: First sub6 skierg 2k

Post by NavigationHazard » February 6th, 2020, 12:44 pm

He's gone 2:45 for 1k on the SkiErg so sub-6 for 2k was only a matter of getting around to doing it. Non-trivial, to be sure - IMO a tremendous achievement. But not surprising given some of his other results.
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Re: First sub6 skierg 2k

Post by hjs » February 6th, 2020, 1:24 pm

johnlvs2run wrote:
February 6th, 2020, 11:50 am
kini62 wrote:
February 5th, 2020, 5:17 pm
Quite impressive aerobic performance for such a large man.
I agree with this. He didn't post his weight, but his brother weighs 380 to 440+ pounds.
183 and roughly 115kg ish. Eddy is a bit taller 188 ish and as a Pro strongman not restricted in “medical assistant”.

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Re: First sub6 skierg 2k

Post by hjs » February 20th, 2020, 4:28 pm

https://log.concept2.com/profile/1225966/log/42289791

Second man to pull a sub 6 er. First one who does this on both the rower and skiergo. B)

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Re: First sub6 skierg 2k

Post by johnlvs2run » February 20th, 2020, 4:48 pm

James Marshall did a 2k in 6:03.6 2k three days ago, and a 2k in 5:59.6 today.
His weight is 225 pounds (102.3 kg) which gives him the best equivalent time on a pace per weight basis.
481.7 watts / 225 x 2.2 = 4.7099 watts per kilogram
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James Hall: 489.8 watts / 115 ish ??? = 4.259 watts per kilogram

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Re: First sub6 skierg 2k

Post by hjs » February 20th, 2020, 5:30 pm

johnlvs2run wrote:
February 20th, 2020, 4:48 pm
James Marshall did a 2k in 6:03.6 2k three days ago, and a 2k in 5:59.6 today.
His weight is 225 pounds (102.3 kg) which gives him the best equivalent time on a pace per weight basis.
481.7 watts / 225 x 2.2 = 4.7099 watts per kilogram
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James Hall: 489.8 watts / 115 ish ??? = 4.259 watts per kilogram
He also has Wr s on the longer distances, while James is faster on the shorter stuff. They meet more or less on the 2k.

Both are btw, former Rugby players.

They also both used a drag around 120/25 and training wise, they don,t do overly much volume.

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Re: First sub6 skierg 2k

Post by hjs » February 21st, 2020, 4:16 am

James Also pulled a second sub6. 5.59 this time. :D

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Re: First sub6 skierg 2k

Post by Esteban Chaubron » February 22nd, 2020, 6:18 pm

johnlvs2run wrote:
February 20th, 2020, 4:48 pm
James Marshall did a 2k in 6:03.6 2k three days ago, and a 2k in 5:59.6 today.
His weight is 225 pounds (102.3 kg) which gives him the best equivalent time on a pace per weight basis.
481.7 watts / 225 x 2.2 = 4.7099 watts per kilogram
_ _ _ _ _ _
James Hall: 489.8 watts / 115 ish ??? = 4.259 watts per kilogram
Never heard about this. What is the pace per weight ? Does it apply in rowing ?
Low pull : 562w/1:25.4 - 100m : 17.9 - 1min : 301m - 500m : 1:45 - 1k : 3:43.2 - 2k : 7:51.1

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