Wife doesn't feel any leg benefit

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Re: Wife doesn't feel any leg benefit

Post by mict450 » April 8th, 2021, 4:54 pm

Not surprising she doesn't feel her legs are being worked. Opening of the back so early destroys any work the legs could contribute. Highly inefficient & increases risks of back injury. She needs to practice the reverse pick drill. Also her drag factor looks too high.

More problems are evident, but if the the drive sequencing is fixed, it would go a long way to fix her stroke. It's legs, back, arms, NOT back, legs, arms.
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Re: Wife doesn't feel any leg benefit

Post by Ombrax » April 8th, 2021, 8:23 pm

A view directly from the side would be better, but I'm nearly 100% sure that she's leaning too far forward (at the catch).

For the other issues I'll defer to the real experts here.

There are some decent images here:

https://mspfitness.com/the-three-bigges ... cept2-erg/

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Re: Wife doesn't feel any leg benefit

Post by mict450 » April 8th, 2021, 10:17 pm

Definitely diving into the catch, placing her lower back in a weak, flexed position.
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Re: Wife doesn't feel any leg benefit

Post by hjs » April 9th, 2021, 3:38 am

RowerJon wrote:
April 8th, 2021, 3:51 pm
I posted a video of her:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43hveGv ... l=ROWERJON
She sure is working! But is using a “fixed seat” stroke instead of using the moving seat.

Bit difficult to say, but a few things.

One feet are way to low, set the feetrest higher, try to move horizontal in line with the rail. She now pulls below to up.

Second, instead of coming up on the frontfeet, she keeps her feet planted and reaches with her upperbody. The legs can’t do work from this position, the are not bend. She should let the heels come up and bend the legs. From there she can push.

Drag, set that lower, this way she move smoother.

The arms/upperbody movement actually is not bad, she keeps the arms nicely long and she does work the trunk.

Finish, she does not fully finish the stroke, at 80/90% she already returns, she should first complete pull the handle in, before she comes back up the rail. Think like this, “you fully pull the oar through and let the water run under the boat” use a lower Strokes per minute.

Overal, she looks pretty fit and should be able to pull a decent stroke and pace.

In short, Lower the drag, set the feet higher, lift the heels, let the legs bend. And fully end the stoke and the fan run...

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Re: Wife doesn't feel any leg benefit

Post by jamesg » April 9th, 2021, 4:03 am

She's working far too hard, but doing it with the rating rather than the stroke. The usual disastrous result is achieved, by rushing forward all at once and even lifting the handle over the knees. The main causes are probably high drag and high feet.

There is no need in training to rush to the next stroke. Care must be taken that all strokes are very long and very hard and with a long rest before the next, not all short weak and rushed.

The foot-plates have all holes showing and the straps are over the instep. The foot plates are flexible so that the heels can lift; to do this the strap must be over the toes, as to C2 technique videos and instructions, which must be read when all else fails.
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Re: Wife doesn't feel any leg benefit

Post by ampire » April 9th, 2021, 3:43 pm

Adding to what was said above, she is definitely working hard, but she isn't producing any wattage as measured by the machine. It is a very inefficient stroke because she has poor form.

1) the drag factor is way too high, instead she should be rowing with the dial around a 3 or 4 at the most, corresponding to a drag factor of around 100.
2) she slips the clutch by not applying enough pressure early on with her heels at the catch. This is reflected by the slack in the chain at the start of the stroke. Part of this occurs because the drag factor is set far too high, which means that it requires a lot of strength to begin rotating the flywheel (the fan), she does not have the strength to overcome this, and so she uses her lower back to generate this power rather than using her legs, this is the wrong way to do this.
3) to reiterate, she uses her lower back (which opens early) instead of using her legs, as though she is rowing a fixed seat rower. This is going to result in a lumbar disk injury.
4) she uses her arms too early in the stroke
5) she should lift her heels going into the catch. Not lifting heels results in rounding the lower back, which risks lumbar disk injury.
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Re: Wife doesn't feel any leg benefit

Post by Ombrax » April 9th, 2021, 9:21 pm

Jon,

Hopefully all this feedback doesn't feel to your wife like a drink from a fire hose.

Play with things a bit at a time, and let us know if she thinks it's helping her.

Good Luck

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Re: Wife doesn't feel any leg benefit

Post by Dangerscouse » April 10th, 2021, 5:16 am

Ombrax wrote:
April 9th, 2021, 9:21 pm
Jon,

Hopefully all this feedback doesn't feel to your wife like a drink from a fire hose.

Play with things a bit at a time, and let us know if she thinks it's helping her.

Good Luck
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Re: Wife doesn't feel any leg benefit

Post by hjs » April 10th, 2021, 5:26 am

Ombrax wrote:
April 9th, 2021, 9:21 pm
Jon,

Hopefully all this feedback doesn't feel to your wife like a drink from a fire hose.

Play with things a bit at a time, and let us know if she thinks it's helping her.

Good Luck
Some things are not difficult to change. Drop the drag, get the feet up to railheight and let the heals come up. Thats only the heals to think about.

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Re: Wife doesn't feel any leg benefit

Post by Ante » April 10th, 2021, 7:03 am

Dear husband and others,

It struck me that all that has been said here, is about a third person. She is not part of the conversation, but a film of her is being discussed. 🤔
It makes me feel uncomfortable. Although she doesn’t seem to mind, I still would not like it to be me.
Let’s show some empathy. Let’s invite her to get on the forum too and join this talk about herself. Jon, will you do the honours?

😄
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