Getting started with health trackers PM5, Apple Watch, HR etc.

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Getting started with health trackers PM5, Apple Watch, HR etc.

Post by burjoes » April 12th, 2020, 1:49 pm

Just bought a Model D with PM5. I own an Apple Watch 5. I just bought the Polar H10 heart rate monitor. I use MyFitnessPal as well, and am on a special diet and exercise program to lose weight and get heart healthy. I'm 46 and in decent shape, but have familial hypercholesterolemia which means i'm at greater risk for heart problems in the long run.

So, I'm on a mission to get my resting heart rate lower, and in last 30 days it's gone from around 59 to around 51. My heart rate recovery has gone from 30 bpm in 1 min to 35 bpm. I've lost about 5 pounds (from 190 to 185) and an inch on my waistline.

Still getting the hang of rowing, but in the 2 weeks that I've had the C2, I've gotten my 2k time down to 8:16, 5k time to 20:26, and 10k to 44:40. To get these times, my HR is often 150-160, which I'm a little concerned is too high to maintain.

Anyway, I'm finding a bunch of quirks to track all this. If I use my Apple Watch to record my row, it shows calories instead of miles, which is bad; but it shows heart rate recovery, which is good. And the calorie count is a good bit lower (188 compared to 310). If I use ergdata, it shows miles, what seems to be more correct calorie data, and no heart rate chart. Apple records two workouts - one from the ergdata and one from my watch, so I have to delete one every time. But if I delete ergdata, I lose the miles, and if I delete apple watch, I lose the heart rate recovery.

Also, the apple watch often doesn't really start getting my heart rate for several minutes, losing that ramp up period.

I'm starting to consider returning the Polar heart rate monitor and would like to better understand what people use who have the C2 rower and apple products. Is there even a real use for the HR monitor, which is also a pain with having to wet it first, sometimes sliding down etc?

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Post by nsgymd » April 12th, 2020, 7:33 pm

I use the Blue Heart app to send HR from my Apple Watch to the PM5 monitor (mirrored to Erg Data) when I am trying to maintain a particular HR. Sometimes I will use the Heart Graph app (watch + iPhone) to assess time spent in different training bands.

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Post by Ripples » April 13th, 2020, 11:01 am

I have the AW5 but also wear my Garmin HR strap so I can see my HR on the PM5 as I try to keep it within a particular zone.

I use both because I like the HR stats available on the watch, plus it doesn't take long to fill the exercise ring. Wish the watch would transmit to the PM5, but don't think that will ever happen.

Do agree that there's quite a difference in the calories reported by the PM5 and AW5.

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Post by kini62 » April 13th, 2020, 8:40 pm

HR based calories burned is going to be closer to the actual as long as you have your correct age, weight and gender for whatever HR app you're using.
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Post by edgrimley » May 14th, 2020, 7:10 pm

New Model D owner with similar goals.

I want to primarily track heart rate, and plan to sync HR and weight data with Apple Health via phone (not watch). I am looking for a rec on HR monitor.

It sounds like the right workflow is -

HR strap --> Concept2 via Ant+ --> ErgData via Bluetooth --> Apple Health/Healthkit

Sound about right? Is there a difference at this point on current edition Garmin vs. Polar chest straps? Sounds like chest is more accurate.

Looking for the least amount of apps and complexity. I'd rather not use a proprietary HR monitor app as well.

I appreciate the helpful guidance and style of discussion on these forums. Great community.

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Post by winniewinser » May 15th, 2020, 6:33 am

burjoes wrote:
April 12th, 2020, 1:49 pm
Just bought a Model D with PM5. I own an Apple Watch 5. I just bought the Polar H10 heart rate monitor. I use MyFitnessPal as well, and am on a special diet and exercise program to lose weight and get heart healthy. I'm 46 and in decent shape, but have familial hypercholesterolemia which means i'm at greater risk for heart problems in the long run.

So, I'm on a mission to get my resting heart rate lower, and in last 30 days it's gone from around 59 to around 51. My heart rate recovery has gone from 30 bpm in 1 min to 35 bpm. I've lost about 5 pounds (from 190 to 185) and an inch on my waistline.

Still getting the hang of rowing, but in the 2 weeks that I've had the C2, I've gotten my 2k time down to 8:16, 5k time to 20:26, and 10k to 44:40. To get these times, my HR is often 150-160, which I'm a little concerned is too high to maintain.

Anyway, I'm finding a bunch of quirks to track all this. If I use my Apple Watch to record my row, it shows calories instead of miles, which is bad; but it shows heart rate recovery, which is good. And the calorie count is a good bit lower (188 compared to 310). If I use ergdata, it shows miles, what seems to be more correct calorie data, and no heart rate chart. Apple records two workouts - one from the ergdata and one from my watch, so I have to delete one every time. But if I delete ergdata, I lose the miles, and if I delete apple watch, I lose the heart rate recovery.

Also, the apple watch often doesn't really start getting my heart rate for several minutes, losing that ramp up period.

I'm starting to consider returning the Polar heart rate monitor and would like to better understand what people use who have the C2 rower and apple products. Is there even a real use for the HR monitor, which is also a pain with having to wet it first, sometimes sliding down etc?
I use the Polar H10 and get the data via the Polar Beat App. It will also allow you the belt to track HR offline while also being connected to the Erg via Ant+ so you get the info on the Erg screen and all the goodies in the Polar App.
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Re: Getting started with health trackers PM5, Apple Watch, HR etc.

Post by ampire » May 15th, 2020, 12:20 pm

edgrimley wrote:
May 14th, 2020, 7:10 pm
Sounds like chest is more accurate.
Chest strap is the best way to do it. Most accurate IMO. I tried a Polar OH1+ (which I returned), it is considered to be the most accurate non-chest band, and I couldn't get it to be remotely accurate compared to my Garmin HRM1G, maybe it was just a characteristic of my body, as reviewers such as DCRainmaker, 5KRunner, rowsandall had good results with it. Regardless, once you get used to the chest band, it has minimal downsides.
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Post by PapaEight » September 3rd, 2020, 6:52 pm

Just noticed this thread, even though it's a few months old. Original post mentioned this:

"Apple records two workouts - one from the ergdata and one from my watch, so I have to delete one every time. But if I delete ergdata, I lose the miles, and if I delete apple watch, I lose the heart rate recovery."

Actually, if you delete the Rower workout from the Apple watch but keep the data from that workout (there's an option for that) and keep the ErgData workout as the only rowing workout for that session, the heart rate recovery graph will be available as part of the ErgData workout.

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