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Post by 2whlrcr » January 3rd, 2008, 10:39 pm

GREGH wrote:We need to keep spreading the word so that I can continue to hang out with the racing and trail riding community. They are more fun to talk to. I agree that it is the best form of training next to being on the bike. Sorry to all the cyclist out there but you can get more out of the rower in less time and they are not out on the road where anything can happen. I even sold a rower to John Tomac and that dude was one of the best Mountain bikers of all time. He is training Ben Townley but I just heard he might be out for the start of the SX season.
Yea Greg, you can get KILLED out on the road, but I'd still rather train outside. And it's nice to actually go somewhere while training. But I will say the Concept 2, is the best piece of indoor training equipment I've ever used. But maybe not quite as exciting as rollers. :lol:
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Post by LiteTruckRider » January 3rd, 2008, 10:40 pm

kpc744 wrote:Hey Team, I just wanted to say hi. I know I haven't been logging in allot of meters this week but I plan on doing longer distances on the weekends. I do Crossfit during the week and anyone who knows about Crossfit knows that the work outs are a muther......so with that said I have a couple Q's.

The only time I have really used a C2 is during Crossfit workouts, what exact distance is a marathon on a rower? I keep seeing the term "erg", what is that? Also, with the long distances that are done in one session what do you set the resistance on? Finally, how do you get a picture to show up on the left when you post?

And Greg I know what you mean when you say that "you are home", I know exactly what you mean, the people are great, that is what makes this sport so awesome. A1 in 2 days!

Kris
Hi Kris. A marathon on a C2 is 42,195 Meters. This link will show you the rankings of people who have ranked their workouts:
http://www.concept2.com/sranking03/rankings.asp

Erg is short for ergometer, which is an indoor rower. (someone please correct me if I'm wrong). But I've only seen the term used to refer to rowers that are set up to best simulate the resistance, catch & stroke one experiences by actual rowing in a racing shell or scull. I don't consider a rower that uses hydraulic cylinders as resistance an ergometer. Probably the 3 best known ergs are the Concept2, the Water Rower (English) & the Rowperfect (Australian). I chose the Concept 2 because of the huge online support community and the fact that it is the most "wired" of the 3.

For advice on damper settings, check out this link:
http://www.concept2.com/us/training/goa ... ensity.asp
I normally have my damper set on the lowest setting, cuz I'm a wimp, but that's another story ;-D.

To set or change your avatar ( picture on the left), go into your profile & scroll all the way down to the bottom of the page. You will see a 'Browse' button that will allow you to upload your avatar from your computer into your profile. It should be no greater than 126 pixels in width or height & no more than 10kb in size. If you already have an avatar or photo online, there is also a text box in which you may enter a URL of an existing avatar. Additionally, you may select a premade avatar from a gallery.

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Post by 2whlrcr » January 3rd, 2008, 10:48 pm

I believe a more accurate definition of an ergometer is, a piece of exercise equipment that can accurately and repeatedly measure the output of work, typically in watts. Many indoor cycling machines are ergometers.
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Post by LiteTruckRider » January 3rd, 2008, 10:52 pm

2whlrcr wrote:I believe a more accurate definition of an ergometer is, a piece of exercise equipment that can accurately and repeatedly measure the output of work, typically in watts. Many indoor cycling machines are ergometers.
Exactly!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ergometer
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Post by michelle » January 4th, 2008, 2:37 pm

For those of us who row boats too, we always use the term erg. There's a big difference between rowing and erging.
And for those of us who row and ride, it's pretty funny to see that neither sport understands the other. I find it amazing at how much cross-over there actually is. Rowers don't realize how subtle moto is (while being aggressive at the same time) and mxers don't realize how aggressive rowing is.

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Post by Ducatista » January 4th, 2008, 4:14 pm

Ugh, I finally logged my first meters this morning. I badly wrenched my lower back doing a stupid, pointless chore over the weekend, and I really wasn't sure how the rowing was going to go. There was a black cloud hanging over me as I sat on that seat today, and it stayed with me for about 4500m, but by the time I limped to 6K, sunshine. Well, light overcast, more like.

I'd planned on ponying up 200km this month. I've missed only 3 days, so I'm still shooting for that. It'll just take me a lot longer to slog through the meters until this damned back settles down. :?

You high-meters animals amaze me. Maybe you'll inspire me to do a 1/2 before the month's out.

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Post by Volke » January 4th, 2008, 4:49 pm

This whole thing is rather fun, except yesterday I woke from a dead sleep in a panic, NEEDING to row. Urgent, gnawing need.
It didn't last long, but it was still an interesting experience. I think maybe i was dreaming ( nightmare?) about rowing and it woke me up :P

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Post by GREGH » January 4th, 2008, 5:05 pm

Hey we don't need any panic attacks! Its Friday. Row a couple and treat yourself to a cold one. Then we can get back to it on Saturday.

Ann, I am sorry to hear about your back. I hope it can hang in there but play it safe. Talk to you soon - Greg

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Post by LiteTruckRider » January 4th, 2008, 5:39 pm

Volke wrote:This whole thing is rather fun, except yesterday I woke from a dead sleep in a panic, NEEDING to row. Urgent, gnawing need.
It didn't last long, but it was still an interesting experience. I think maybe i was dreaming ( nightmare?) about rowing and it woke me up :P

Jason
I woke up with an urgent need to ride the bike, but unless we get some major melting of ice on the roads here in Mpls. tomorrow, that ain't gonna' happen. Oh, well I can always row & watch motorcycle movies. :(
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Post by Ducatista » January 4th, 2008, 6:25 pm

GREGH wrote:Ann, I am sorry to hear about your back. I hope it can hang in there but play it safe. Talk to you soon - Greg
Thanks! It (and I) can totally hang. I was skittish this morning, so I took the 6K r-e-a-l-l-y slowly and carefully, and I was rewarded with the most comfortable workday I've had since the wrench. HOWEVER, I'm swearing off the gym until I can row at my normal pace again. That's how committed I am to the team. B)

I really don't think I'd have forced my bum lumbar (bumbar?) region onto the erg this morning if it weren't for the JVC. Thanks, Team MMW!

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Post by C3H6O3 » January 4th, 2008, 6:32 pm

2whlrcr wrote:Ha ha ha Steve, you just proved my point. You have no aerobic base and bonked at 1:20 minutes. That should never happen. But I will forgive you, because your body has no training beyond 30 minutes. Just think how fast your intervals will be and moto speeds will climb, after you get another 100 1/2 marathons in you. :P :P :P
Given all the smiley faces, I take it you're joking, yes? At least half-joking :) ? Truth be told, my longest steady-state rows to date have been 2000m or just under 8 minutes. Well, actually, that's not true. I did row for an hour on Tuesday but that's hardly enough to time to build anything. The fact is, I bonked because I was running out of fuel not because my 'aerobic' energy system is underdeveloped (it's not maximally developed either, I admit, but that deserves a post of it's own). Once I drank the Gatorade I was right back on pace. Here are my splits:

*Note the tremendous drop in watts and strokes/minute at the 17,200m mark as well as the immediate post-carbohydrate rebound. I should also point out that I began the workout in a completely fasted state.

Meters------------Split----------Watts-----S/M
4,300----------0:18:55.2--------152-------27
8,600----------0:19:48.0--------133-------28
12,900---------0:19:51.2--------132-------28
17,200---------0:21:40.1--------101-------25 *
21,097---------0:17:59.4--------132-------27

If nothing else, this discussion is food for thought.

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Post by yamadog » January 4th, 2008, 7:27 pm

OK. thanks to Greg and Sean I'm on the team. I'm a 48 year old off-road motorcycle racer/runner/biker/MMA fanatic. Just bought my C2 PM3 about 4 weeks ago.

I'm 5 weeks out from rotator cuff surgery so I'm kind of taking it easy on the erg. I usually do a 10k every other day. I run the trails with my dogs on my "off" days. I will do a half marathon within the next 2 weeks.

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Post by 2whlrcr » January 4th, 2008, 8:04 pm

C3H6O3 wrote:
2whlrcr wrote:Ha ha ha Steve, you just proved my point. You have no aerobic base and bonked at 1:20 minutes. That should never happen. But I will forgive you, because your body has no training beyond 30 minutes. Just think how fast your intervals will be and moto speeds will climb, after you get another 100 1/2 marathons in you. :P :P :P
Given all the smiley faces, I take it you're joking, yes? At least half-joking :) ? Truth be told, my longest steady-state rows to date have been 2000m or just under 8 minutes. Well, actually, that's not true. I did row for an hour on Tuesday but that's hardly enough to time to build anything. The fact is, I bonked because I was running out of fuel not because my 'aerobic' energy system is underdeveloped (it's not maximally developed either, I admit, but that deserves a post of it's own). Once I drank the Gatorade I was right back on pace. Here are my splits:

*Note the tremendous drop in watts and strokes/minute at the 17,200m mark as well as the immediate post-carbohydrate rebound. I should also point out that I began the workout in a completely fasted state.

Meters------------Split----------Watts-----S/M
4,300----------0:18:55.2--------152-------27
8,600----------0:19:48.0--------133-------28
12,900---------0:19:51.2--------132-------28
17,200---------0:21:40.1--------101-------25 *
21,097---------0:17:59.4--------132-------27

If nothing else, this discussion is food for thought.

I don't know, I might have been half joking? :lol: I still think if you, or anybody would row a half marathon, run, bike, etc.. a couple of times a week, at 60-65% HRM and continue to do their normal interval stuff, times would improve.

Again your the expert here not me, but I'm surprised to see your power rebound so soon, after drinking the Gatoraid? How long does it take for a fructose? to be absorbed into your bloodstream? Anytime I start to feel the bonk come on, it takes me at least 10 minutes or longer, for me to come out of it, after drinking or eating some kind of energy replacement.
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Post by michelle » January 4th, 2008, 11:21 pm

All this half marathon talk was too much for me. I had to try one. I combined it with my spanish lessons by watching a movie in spanish the whole time. My family thinks I'm crazy.

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Post by C3H6O3 » January 4th, 2008, 11:32 pm

2whlrcr wrote:I still think if you, or anybody would row a half marathon, run, bike, etc.. a couple of times a week, at 60-65% HRM and continue to do their normal interval stuff, times would improve.
Well, then you start to get into TOTAL training time. I know you're not quite there yet but, let's assume that interval training offers the same cardiovascular benefits (i.e. enhanced VO2max) as LSD training. If that is the case then interval training offers a much more time-efficient method of "fitness" training; freeing the athlete to spend the majority of his/her time on technical/tactical training or other components of "fitness" like strength training.

I'm not naive enough to think that interval training is the only way to train for ALL sports. There is something to be said for hitting the road for hours at a time if you participate in ultra long-distance events like marathons, ironman's, etc. As we've seen, however, INTERVAL TRAINING ALONE produced some pretty good results (for me at least) in an event lasting >90 minutes. Would that carry over to a full? I don't know and, quite honestly, have no intention of finding out.

So, to give this some perspective:

Events <60-90 minutes (MX, SX): interval training
Events >90 minutes (harescrambles, enduros): intervals + LSD and/or long practice motos.

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