HM, FM, 30k, Century...Election Anxiety

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Re: HM, FM, 30k, Century...Election Anxiety

Post by Dangerscouse » November 11th, 2020, 10:38 am

xam217 wrote:
November 10th, 2020, 4:57 pm
My god...12 hours. I can't imagine the mental battle to get back on there after hour 9, but I respect the desire to line up your personal bests. I love the idea of continuous improvement like that. Doubly so doing it for charity. I am sorry about your friend however. Diabetes is an ugly disease.
As far as my stroke rate:
<10k - 26-29 spm
FM - 22
100k - 21
HM - 20
Thanks mate, doing it for charity was a great boost to make sure I didn't give up. Diabetes runs in my family too, so it's a constant consideration for me.

Your stroke rates are good, and when you get used to the lower drag, your speed out of the catch will improve.

I have used the force curve once, just to check on technique, as I don't see much benefit to use it regularly.
47 HWT; 6' 4"; 1k= 3:09; 2k= 6:36; 5k= 17:24; 6k= 21:09; 10k= 35:46 30mins= 8,428m 60mins= 16,331m HM= 1:18:25; FM= 2:45:49; 50k= 3:21:14; 100k= 7:52:44; 12hrs = 153km

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Re: HM, FM, 30k, Century...Election Anxiety

Post by Dino » November 11th, 2020, 10:51 am

xam217 wrote:
November 11th, 2020, 9:56 am
Dino wrote:
November 10th, 2020, 7:23 pm
Hard to say why you would get tired on a low DF. Its probably just getting the technique sorted.
A couple of good Concept2 videos on technique, drag and intensity:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiQ0Mqlk_Lo
https://www.concept2.com/indoor-rowers/ ... -intensity
Thank you I really appreciate the encouragement. These videos are great, especially the YouTube link with Peter. I'm going to give the ramping intensity at 1 damper setting a try at lunch time. I definitely feel like I'm slow out of the catch, and the force curve backs that up. Quick question do you pay a lot of attention to the force curve on the monitor usually or just when you're learning?
I revisit the force curve from time to time but that's all. If I feel my stroke is getting lazy which it is prone to do on long sessions, not that its prob that great anyway(!) then I might cycle through the display and spend a few strokes looking at the shape. Rightly or wrongly I find applying the power in a more efficient way more valuable on shorter distances... although thinking about it prob equally as valid on long distance stuff as when taking 1000+ strokes then if you add a watt or two each stroke due to better technique that's a lot of cumulative watts!!
52M HWT 18/19, 19/20, 20/21 - Team: 50Plus - Zwift Rowing
1m 326m, 500m 1:38,7, 1k 3:35.7, 2k 7:17.6, 5k 19:06.6, 6k 23:26.0, 30m 7730m, 10k 39:26.1, 60m 15025m, HM 1:25:04.7, FM 2:59:26.0, 50k 3:49:17.3

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Re: HM, FM, 30k, Century...Election Anxiety

Post by xam217 » November 12th, 2020, 3:45 pm

Dino wrote:
November 11th, 2020, 10:51 am
I revisit the force curve from time to time but that's all. If I feel my stroke is getting lazy which it is prone to do on long sessions, not that its prob that great anyway(!) then I might cycle through the display and spend a few strokes looking at the shape. Rightly or wrongly I find applying the power in a more efficient way more valuable on shorter distances... although thinking about it prob equally as valid on long distance stuff as when taking 1000+ strokes then if you add a watt or two each stroke due to better technique that's a lot of cumulative watts!!
Thanks Dino - I can't seem to get it right and maintain my endurance. It's just too quick right now. I'm hoping it's something I can come back to and get a better handle on. My theory is that I'm rowing with my back and arms still, but we'll see.

I did try my first 2k though. That is an absolutely miserable distance. It's just a long ugly almost-sprint. I had your 7:18 number in mind and I was able to beat it (7:14). I can't imagine training that very often though It's extremely unfun. That being said - I'd love to figure out how to get sub 7 before the season is over.
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Re: HM, FM, 30k, Century...Election Anxiety

Post by Dino » November 12th, 2020, 4:59 pm

xam217 wrote:
November 12th, 2020, 3:45 pm
Dino wrote:
November 11th, 2020, 10:51 am
I revisit the force curve from time to time but that's all. If I feel my stroke is getting lazy which it is prone to do on long sessions, not that its prob that great anyway(!) then I might cycle through the display and spend a few strokes looking at the shape. Rightly or wrongly I find applying the power in a more efficient way more valuable on shorter distances... although thinking about it prob equally as valid on long distance stuff as when taking 1000+ strokes then if you add a watt or two each stroke due to better technique that's a lot of cumulative watts!!
Thanks Dino - I can't seem to get it right and maintain my endurance. It's just too quick right now. I'm hoping it's something I can come back to and get a better handle on. My theory is that I'm rowing with my back and arms still, but we'll see.

I did try my first 2k though. That is an absolutely miserable distance. It's just a long ugly almost-sprint. I had your 7:18 number in mind and I was able to beat it (7:14). I can't imagine training that very often though It's extremely unfun. That being said - I'd love to figure out how to get sub 7 before the season is over.
Well done on the 7:14 :) as you haven't been targeting it that's an extremely good first go! There will be more to come without even doing any more training as it was your first go.
I don't try 2k flat out very often - maybe 3x in the last 18 months? In fact I rarely do anything under 5k. If I have done a few big meters months in a row then I cash in and try some PBs on a whim just out of interest. I never train for anything specific. The only distance I have ever trained for properly and followed a plan was for the FM when wanted to hit sub-3.

You could always post a video link on here for some constructive help on technique. Get a side on shot at different rates and pace if you can or just do as you have been doing and looking at videos online. I quite like the "Training Tall" ones. Austin from Training Tall can also do a stroke assessment. I haven't used it but just mentioning it.
52M HWT 18/19, 19/20, 20/21 - Team: 50Plus - Zwift Rowing
1m 326m, 500m 1:38,7, 1k 3:35.7, 2k 7:17.6, 5k 19:06.6, 6k 23:26.0, 30m 7730m, 10k 39:26.1, 60m 15025m, HM 1:25:04.7, FM 2:59:26.0, 50k 3:49:17.3

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Re: HM, FM, 30k, Century...Election Anxiety

Post by xam217 » November 12th, 2020, 5:09 pm

Dino wrote:
November 12th, 2020, 4:59 pm
Well done on the 7:14 :) as you haven't been targeting it that's an extremely good first go! There will be more to come without even doing any more training as it was your first go.
I don't try 2k flat out very often - maybe 3x in the last 18 months? In fact I rarely do anything under 5k. If I have done a few big meters months in a row then I cash in and try some PBs on a whim just out of interest. I never train for anything specific. The only distance I have ever trained for properly and followed a plan was for the FM when wanted to hit sub-3.

You could always post a video link on here for some constructive help on technique. Get a side on shot at different rates and pace if you can or just do as you have been doing and looking at videos online. I quite like the "Training Tall" ones. Austin from Training Tall can also do a stroke assessment. I haven't used it but just mentioning it.
This is exactly the attitude I want to have. General training on longer distances. Short sprints if I'm feeling spicy that day. I'm really glad its not just all ex-college sprinters on this board. I'm checking out Training Tall now over lunch. Thanks again!
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