New world record ?

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New world record ?

Post by Esteban Chaubron » May 22nd, 2020, 10:23 am

What kind of world reord would you like to see ad on C2 website ? 3k, 4k ? I'd like to see some rate cap wr (30mn r20...)
Low pull : 562w/1:25.4 - 100m : 17.9 - 1min : 301m - 500m : 1:45 - 1k : 3:43.2 - 2k : 7:51.1

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Re: New world record ?

Post by jackarabit » May 22nd, 2020, 11:39 am

2500m. See who can hit the changeup.
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Re: New world record ?

Post by hjs » May 22nd, 2020, 12:56 pm

Esteban Chaubron wrote:
May 22nd, 2020, 10:23 am
What kind of world reord would you like to see ad on C2 website ? 3k, 4k ? I'd like to see some rate cap wr (30mn r20...)
The more records the less they mean. To me its all about the open men records, with on top the 2k. Everything else is less.

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Post by Carl Watts » May 22nd, 2020, 3:03 pm

Now that there is Ergdata to count your strokes and provide a verified result the 30R20 could easily be added to the rankings. The only argument would be the + stroke count limit. You would have to make it like 605 strokes maximum.
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Re: New world record ?

Post by Esteban Chaubron » May 22nd, 2020, 3:56 pm

hjs wrote:
May 22nd, 2020, 12:56 pm
Esteban Chaubron wrote:
May 22nd, 2020, 10:23 am
What kind of world reord would you like to see ad on C2 website ? 3k, 4k ? I'd like to see some rate cap wr (30mn r20...)
The more records the less they mean. To me its all about the open men records, with on top the 2k. Everything else is less.
Would you say the same thing for 100m and 5000m for track & field ? Obviously there's an enormous focus on 2k on the indoor rowing scene, but i don't see where is the problem to add some new records to beat. Just an other way to compare to champions and to appreciate indoor rowing. :D
Low pull : 562w/1:25.4 - 100m : 17.9 - 1min : 301m - 500m : 1:45 - 1k : 3:43.2 - 2k : 7:51.1

Men - 14 years old - 1m74 (5'8'') - 60kg (130 lbs)

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Re: New world record ?

Post by hjs » May 23rd, 2020, 3:46 am

Esteban Chaubron wrote:
May 22nd, 2020, 3:56 pm
hjs wrote:
May 22nd, 2020, 12:56 pm
Esteban Chaubron wrote:
May 22nd, 2020, 10:23 am
What kind of world reord would you like to see ad on C2 website ? 3k, 4k ? I'd like to see some rate cap wr (30mn r20...)
The more records the less they mean. To me its all about the open men records, with on top the 2k. Everything else is less.
Would you say the same thing for 100m and 5000m for track & field ? Obviously there's an enormous focus on 2k on the indoor rowing scene, but i don't see where is the problem to add some new records to beat. Just an other way to compare to champions and to appreciate indoor rowing. :D
Would rate the 100m the highest, but in olympic rowing there is only one distance. Its 2k, 2k, 2k and 2k.

In general the reason I don,t like extra records and or changes it the gravity of a record. If the event does not change you can compare with others over other timeframes.

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Re: New world record ?

Post by max_ratcliffe » May 23rd, 2020, 5:04 am

I think I agree with Henry - having too many records cheapens each one (compare the numerous obscure indoor WRs for sprinting for example, versus the 100m, 200m and 400m that are the standards in outdoor).

Being human of course, some records are still alive for historical reasons (the mile) but nobody runs the 100 yards these days.

If there were going to be new officially-sanctioned records, I think Carl's idea of 30r20 makes some sense as top rowers seem to actually compare that amongst themselves, rather than the, say 30r19. I think it would have to not exceed 600 strokes. Perhaps a minimum no of strokes too, but that might start to look a bit contrived.

Perhaps some staging posts on the way to 100k should also be brought in. 50k isn't official currently, presumably because it's too close the marathon. But including some there might make sense.
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Re: New world record ?

Post by Dangerscouse » May 23rd, 2020, 6:06 am

I am biased and probably vastly in the minority but I think 50k and 12 hours should be rankable distances.

I know what you mean Max about it being too close to a FM, but I think there's more similarity between the 5k and 6k as the additional 7,805m from a FM are a lot harder to try and pace correctly.

12 hours is also a good staging post as the gap is too big between 100km and 24 hours. I'm not sure that this would cheapen anything as it's as esoteric as any other ultra distance session and will only be attempted by fairly small amount of people, and as it's all just C2 certificates it's not got any exposure outside those who actively go searching for it.

As for a 30r20 I think that is a great idea, or imo I think it could be 30r20 or under, as there's no benefit, or competitive advantage, that I can think of for doing it at r18 or r19.
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Re: New world record ?

Post by Esteban Chaubron » May 23rd, 2020, 11:05 am

As lot of british and american universities are using some distances to test their rowers that are not recorded as official workouts by C2, i’ll found it interesting to see some 3k 4k 8k... Some new things to test the capability of the humans, as the rowing machine is one of the best at it. The physical side of rowing is really interesting for me, as its the only one we can measure. But obviously 2k is the most important one.
Low pull : 562w/1:25.4 - 100m : 17.9 - 1min : 301m - 500m : 1:45 - 1k : 3:43.2 - 2k : 7:51.1

Men - 14 years old - 1m74 (5'8'') - 60kg (130 lbs)

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