Cross Team Challenge - Discussion Thread

[gvcormac]

For bike erg I don't see any reasons why you should cut meters in half, when entering your score. As only bike is compared to other bike entries (at least this was what I understood, when it was discussed), it shouldn't matter. Otherwise the page should do that to prevent failures by user calculation.

I agree, but that's my understanding of what they did, and it'll be difficult to change. I'll know for sure when I enter a score tomorrow.

I do think they will have a combined leaderboard, but to my knowledge there's no official rule sheet, so that's just my impression.

[Sakly]

For bike erg I don't see any reasons why you should cut meters in half, when entering your score. As only bike is compared to other bike entries (at least this was what I understood, when it was discussed), it shouldn't matter. Otherwise the page should do that to prevent failures by user calculation.

I agree, but that's my understanding of what they did, and it'll be difficult to change. I'll know for sure when I enter a score tomorrow.

I do think they will have a combined leaderboard, but to my knowledge there's no official rule sheet, so that's just my impression.

From what I see on the page, there is a dropdown to select the leaderboard for any of the machines.

[gvcormac]

From what I see on the page, there is a dropdown to select the leaderboard for any of the machines.

So it is. I noticed it only after you noted it was there. Separated from the leaderboard by the "how great am I" panel (which is dead unless you go through a login process that seems to require several screens).

[Sakly]

From what I see on the page, there is a dropdown to select the leaderboard for any of the machines.

So it is. I noticed it only after you noted it was there. Separated from the leaderboard by the "how great am I" panel (which is dead unless you go through a login process that seems to require several screens).

Yes, the site seems to log you out after some time for whatever reason.

[joe80]

A closely fought challenge in February ended with SPU occupying the first place on the leaderboard. Team Oarsome achieved their best result this season in silver position.
The Diamonds floated ninety boats, again, an impressive turn-out.
Welcome Top Tuggers. Fourth position for a first-time appearance is an encouraging start.
Future Challengers:
April - FIN KeU
May - Team Oarsome
June - Aussie Roos

[joe80]

Pennti has announced the April Challenge:

KeU Rugby
4 min, rest: 3 min
3 min, rest: 2.5 min
2 min, rest: 2 min
1 min, rest: 2 min
3 min
Enter your total distance (no rest meters).
First interval from a standing start, all the rest are rower's choice.

He explained the departure from the traditional Rugby Test which is based on distances rowed.
"April challenge is Time Based Rugby (easier to do in group when intervals start at the same time). We just wanted to keep the name the same but can be changed to "Time limited Rugby", too. Or "KeU Rugby""

[joe80]

Super performance by SPU in March: I can't remember when a team has occupied the top two places on the leaderboard.

The Diamonds launched 73 RowErg boats and a furher four on slides.

In my unofficial table, I'm going to show just RowErg entries. I'm afraid this means that the SkiErg team will be missing from this and future listings.
There were no SkiErg or Dynamic teams that succeeded in launching boats. Fitness Matters produced a BikeErg crew and, as already noted, The Diamonds launched four boats on slides.

Future Challengers:
May - Team Oarsome
June - Aussie Roos
July - SPU

[LWwnc]

Hello, I’m brand new here and wondered how one joins a team? Looking for indoor rowing challenges and found the cross team challenge page. Thanks in advance. Leigh

[iain]

Hello, I’m brand new here and wondered how one joins a team? Looking for indoor rowing challenges and found the cross team challenge page. Thanks in advance. Leigh

Some teams have a qualification eg nationality, others by invitation while others are open to all. My team FreeSpirits can be found on the site linked in my signature and is open to all and welcomes anyone with an interest in erging, take your pick!

[skkipper]

Hi all, I (and a few other Forum Flyers) am a bit confused about how the boats are being floated at the moment. In March, we floated 3 boats, when we think it should have been 4. We had 4 lightweight men, 6 women, and 10 heavyweight men, so we should have been able to float 4 boats. However, one of the lightweight men went into a heavyweight spot on the third boat since the fourth lightweight male time was faster than one of the heavyweight male times. I believe this is how this worked with the old site, basically in order to prioritize number of boats floated rather than prioritizing speed of each boat, correct? I tried to show this in a post on the Facebook group, but that post hasn't been approved or posted, and now the same thing seems to have happened in April. Just hoping to get it fixed soon if it is supposed to work the other way!

[Sakly]

Hi all, I (and a few other Forum Flyers) am a bit confused about how the boats are being floated at the moment. In March, we floated 3 boats, when we think it should have been 4. We had 4 lightweight men, 6 women, and 10 heavyweight men, so we should have been able to float 4 boats. However, one of the lightweight men went into a heavyweight spot on the third boat since the fourth lightweight male time was faster than one of the heavyweight male times. I believe this is how this worked with the old site, basically in order to prioritize number of boats floated rather than prioritizing speed of each boat, correct? I tried to show this in a post on the Facebook group, but that post hasn't been approved or posted, and now the same thing seems to have happened in April. Just hoping to get it fixed soon if it is supposed to work the other way!

Boats are filled with fastest rowers top down. If a lightweight is faster than a heavy, he will take the seat regardless of a lightweight seat in another boat down is empty. That's how it's defined in the rules, was working on the old site and still is working the same on the new site.

[MPx]

As Sascha say, the boats are filled fastest people first. This is what's written on the site:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
How are the 'boats' decided?

Each boat seats 5 rowers. The seats can only be occupied by certain categories of rower, as follows:

Seats 1, 2 and 3 are OPEN. Anyone may occupy these seats.
Seat 4 is for LIGHTWEIGHTS. Any lightweight, male or female, may occupy this seat.
Seat 5 is for FEMALES. Any female, lightweight or heavyweight, may occupy this seat.

Boats are filled on the basis of fastest qualifying occupant. This is done automatically and there is no scope for a team to 'tactically' fill its boats.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

As seats 1,2,3 are OPEN and not HWT the fastest score will go there even if its a LWT Female. It makes sense as the main competition is the race between the fastest boats. The number of boats floated is very secondary and really only seems to count towards setting-the-challenge scores. I think that's a shame in a way. The fastest people are the fastest people, it has ever been thus - they compete amongst themselves and I love to marvel at their scores - but its always the same few from the same few teams. In my team I know I'll be in boat 7 or worse and wont ever feature. I still enjoy taking part though and working out achievable pacing on a challenge never before tried. Can't see how increasing the importance of floating more boats would do anything useful given the dominance of the largest teams in that aspect.

[Cyclist2]

Along those same lines, Joe has decided to include only static ergs in the "boat" filling calculations (I'm not on facebook, so maybe there was more discussion over there). I row on slides, and am a little disappointed that I can't contribute to the boats, especially since Joe's team, Paddy Power, of which I'm a member, sometimes doesn't fill a boat. I can see breaking out the skierg and bikeerg into separate groups, but rowing is rowing, and in my experience the type of rowing erg really doesn't make a big difference in scores. (The fastest person on a non-static erg was #65 in April, I was #415).

I guess I could "cheat" and just enter it under the static erg category (which is what everyone was effectively doing before the categories were created). I'm always about 1/2 way down the list so, like most people, not a real threat to the very competitive people at the top. Since this is just an informal, fun(?) competition, why not include all rowing ergs in the "boat" results?

[joe80]

Hi Mark,

There was a good deal of discussion on the Captain's facebook page about how the CTC should be organised. In the end, the decision was to have separate categories for each C2 machine. So far, there hasn't been a great take-up of of anything but the RowErg but there's potential. I would love it if you could persuade yourself to produce a static erg performance in future CTCs. At present PaddyPower relies on my rather feeble efforts as the sole contributing lightweight on the team: "I'm 76 now but I won't be for long ..."

Congratulations to SPU for continuing their domination of the past season and taking the top position in April's CTC. SPU took the gold award for the season with The Delivery Room in silver and Norwegian Vikings in bronze.

The Diamonds once again produced the largest flotilla with 74 boats launched.

Welcome Oakwood IRC.

Vesluj.com, as a qualifying new team, have asked for a challenge.

Future Challengers:
June - Aussie Roos
July - SPU
August - Vesluj.com

[joe80]

The cumulative points and positions for the the CTC 2005-2025 are now updated. Always interesting to see the rise and fall of teams and, occasionally, rise again.