Cross Team Challenge - Discussion Thread

From the CRASH-B's to an online challenge, discuss the competitive side of erging here.
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Re: Cross Team Challenge - Discussion Thread

Post by jdmad7 » December 27th, 2018, 1:52 pm

You will have no doubt heard the phrase pertaining to assumptions

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Re: Cross Team Challenge - Discussion Thread

Post by Citroen » December 27th, 2018, 5:15 pm

Give it a rest. I deleted a result that looked like a mistake. Get over it.

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Post by johnlvs2run » December 27th, 2018, 5:27 pm

jackarabit wrote:
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If a maximum of 400 strokes is de rigueur for proper execution, it follows that those without an accurate stroke counter app such as ErgData or an electromechanical counter on the seat rail are obliged to keep the tab by either counting strokes or by attaching a cheap pushbutton totalizator to their handles and inputting the count at the finish of each stroke.
Using an inexpensive Metronome is much, much easier than trying to follow the pm5 monitor.

Setting one for 2 beats per stroke is even easier to follow; thus 40 beats per minute works perfectly for a 20 spm average.
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Re: Cross Team Challenge - Discussion Thread

Post by CaseyClarke » December 28th, 2018, 2:59 pm

Lots of overcomplicaton already by the look of things.

The 400 total stroke count is only trackable if you’re using ErgData or some similar App. I would imagine less than 10% of people doing the challenge will bother with Apps.

Only real way of making a rate capped challenge as close to fair as possible is to stipulate default splits (4:00) in this case, and a numerical average of 20.00 spm (regardless of PM average display)

So, all splits at 20 are obviously valid.

19, 21, 20, 20, 20 (20.0) is valid.

19, 21, 19, 21, 21 (20.2) is not valid, even though it’ll average 20 on the PM.

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Re: Cross Team Challenge - Discussion Thread

Post by jackarabit » December 28th, 2018, 4:42 pm

Can we expect rowers without stroke counters, rowers so inexperienced as to be incapable of holding the prescribed average rate as observable current projected average rate on the PM, and rowers so overstressed as to be unable to break the piece into 1’ segments and attempt to fit 20 strokes in each minute by native wit to “average the averages” of any number of splits by which 20’ is equally divisible (1,2,4,5, and 10’)? A hot mess really.
There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data

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Re: Cross Team Challenge - Discussion Thread

Post by johnlvs2run » December 28th, 2018, 4:58 pm

CaseyClarke wrote:
December 28th, 2018, 2:59 pm
Only real way of making a rate capped challenge as close to fair as possible
Is to adjust the results based on pace per weight, and height and/or arm length too in this case.
stipulate default splits (4:00) in this case, and a numerical average of 20.00 spm (regardless of PM average display)
That's a good idea, but the pm does not show tenths of splits, and is nowhere near accurate enough to be able to do so.

For this reason, the final average is often completely different than a simple average of 5 splits.
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Re: Cross Team Challenge - Discussion Thread

Post by jackarabit » December 28th, 2018, 9:11 pm

John, don’t you mean tenths of a stroke? Casey averaged the average rates of the five 4’ splits the old-fashioned way—with spit and a pencil stub or perhaps a blabslab calculator. Rounding to whole numbers and invariably rounding down is the PM’s limitation. Quite a good number of humans are capable of greater precision.
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Post by johnlvs2run » December 28th, 2018, 10:20 pm

jackarabit wrote:
December 28th, 2018, 9:11 pm
John, don’t you mean tenths of a stroke?
Right. Correction: the pm doesn't show tenths of RPM splits.

Even averaging RPM splits to a single whole number average is not all that accurate, as I pointed out up above.
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Re: Cross Team Challenge - Discussion Thread

Post by Patscia » December 31st, 2018, 7:24 pm

Hallo
I’d like insert a new team in ctc
“Italian team”
Thank you for your attention

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Re: Cross Team Challenge - Discussion Thread

Post by Citroen » January 1st, 2019, 12:34 am

Hi Patscia, your "Italian Team" is ready.

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Re: Cross Team Challenge - Discussion Thread

Post by joe80 » January 3rd, 2019, 1:12 pm

Congratulations to MAD for winning their eight successive challenge this season. They seem unstoppable at the moment but who knows?

Well done to Sub7 for launching twenty boats.

GARAGEATHLETE had a very impressive debut month. Welcome and best wishes for future involvement in the challenges.

BW and Gee tied at 44 points on the challenger formula. BW get the nod because they have been waiting an extra month for an opportunity.

Future Challengers:

FEB: Fitness Matters
MAR: FIRT
APR: BW Rowing

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Re: Cross Team Challenge - Discussion Thread

Post by Tucks » January 5th, 2019, 5:20 am

Hi

Please could we add a team:
“Truro Goats”

Thanks to the guys who organise all of this.

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Post by Citroen » January 5th, 2019, 6:42 am

Your Truro Goats team is ready.

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Re: Cross Team Challenge - Discussion Thread

Post by Tucks » January 5th, 2019, 9:17 am

Thank you

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Re: Cross Team Challenge - Discussion Thread

Post by Two Pudding Kid » January 6th, 2019, 5:38 pm

I probably did only 398/9 strokes on this challenge and therefore got ave 19, even though that should be 19.9. 2 min splits - 18 spm x 1, 19spm x 1, 20 spm x 6, 21spm x 2. I was certainly attempting to stick at 20spm, although I knew I had started too slow. I will be counting my 4056m in the challenge.

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