This thing really works...

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Re: This thing really works...

Post by JonWalters » June 3rd, 2018, 2:17 pm

Hi Hobbit

If your running PB’s are like Dangerscouse’s rowing times, then you were a much better runner than me!

However, that is a good rule of thumb, and my PBS of 19:24 5k and 40:36 10k are almost perfectly in line...

Unfortunately these were at least 5 years ago, and I suspect I have more chance of a sub-20 5k on the rower than I do of being able to run that fast again any time soon
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Re: This thing really works...

Post by aandersen1982 » July 15th, 2018, 9:50 pm

JonWalters wrote:Nice idea Allan... most of my workouts are done with a HRM, and I rather like the idea of being able to measure progress even when focussing solely on endurance/weight loss

Which HRM do you get to sync with the PM5?
I am looking to buy one.

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Re: This thing really works...

Post by Allan Olesen » July 16th, 2018, 12:12 pm

aandersen1982 wrote: Which HRM do you get to sync with the PM5?
Any Ant+ compatible HRM. All Garmins will work.
There are other communication standards supported by the PM5, but i don't remember which.

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Re: This thing really works...

Post by lindsayh » July 18th, 2018, 7:12 am

Allan Olesen wrote:
aandersen1982 wrote: Which HRM do you get to sync with the PM5?
Any Ant+ compatible HRM. All Garmins will work. There are other communication standards supported by the PM5, but i don't remember which.
The Wahoo TickR works really well for me
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PBs (65y+) 1 min 349m, 500m 1:29.8, 1k 3:11.7 2k 6:47.4, 5km 18:07.9, 30' 7928m, 10k 37:57.2

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Re: This thing really works...

Post by DavidA » July 18th, 2018, 3:12 pm

lindsayh wrote:
Allan Olesen wrote:
aandersen1982 wrote: Which HRM do you get to sync with the PM5?
Any Ant+ compatible HRM. All Garmins will work. There are other communication standards supported by the PM5, but i don't remember which.
The Wahoo TickR works really well for me
I have also been happy with it.

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Re: This thing really works...

Post by JonWalters » August 12th, 2018, 11:19 am

Quick update...

I had another attempt at my HM PB today and got it down to 1:34:29.2....

To be honest, I was half hoping I might squeeze under 1:34:00, but I think I got a bit carried away and pushed too hard in between 10-15k, which meant it was bloody hard work, and for the last 10 mins I was really huffing and puffing....

Now I need to update my signature!

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Re: This thing really works...

Post by Dangerscouse » August 12th, 2018, 2:27 pm

DavidA wrote:
July 18th, 2018, 3:12 pm
lindsayh wrote:
Allan Olesen wrote: Any Ant+ compatible HRM. All Garmins will work. There are other communication standards supported by the PM5, but i don't remember which.
The Wahoo TickR works really well for me
I have also been happy with it.

David
I have had a few connection issues with the Tickr but that might be my fault. Apart from that it is good
44 Years Old; 6' 4"; 95kg; Liverpool, England 2k= 6:38; 5k= 17:29; 6k= 21:54; 10k= 36:21 30mins= 8,242m 60mins= 16,317m HM= 1:18:40; FM= 2:49:39; 50k= 3:28:18; 75k=5:29:15; 100k= 7:52:44; 12hrs = 153km

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Re: This thing really works...

Post by Dangerscouse » August 12th, 2018, 2:37 pm

JonWalters wrote:
August 12th, 2018, 11:19 am
Quick update...

I had another attempt at my HM PB today and got it down to 1:34:29.2....

To be honest, I was half hoping I might squeeze under 1:34:00, but I think I got a bit carried away and pushed too hard in between 10-15k, which meant it was bloody hard work, and for the last 10 mins I was really huffing and puffing....

Now I need to update my signature!

Jon
More or less five mins knocked off the PB!?! :shock: great effort.

This is a good marker to judge your next HM against. Going slower to go faster is counter intuitive but for a HM it does work. Pacing is important and difficult to judge when you start doing longer distances.
44 Years Old; 6' 4"; 95kg; Liverpool, England 2k= 6:38; 5k= 17:29; 6k= 21:54; 10k= 36:21 30mins= 8,242m 60mins= 16,317m HM= 1:18:40; FM= 2:49:39; 50k= 3:28:18; 75k=5:29:15; 100k= 7:52:44; 12hrs = 153km

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Re: This thing really works...

Post by JonWalters » August 14th, 2018, 3:32 am

Dangerscouse wrote:
August 12th, 2018, 2:37 pm

More or less five mins knocked off the PB!?! :shock: great effort.

This is a good marker to judge your next HM against. Going slower to go faster is counter intuitive but for a HM it does work. Pacing is important and difficult to judge when you start doing longer distances.
Thanks Stu - the 5 min reduction has been achieved in two chunks, and in just over 2 months, so I’m pleased overall with signs of progress...

This may be a daft question, but do people generally recommend negative splits, or doing the 2nd half of a race quicker than the first half?

For example, for this HM I decided to row at 2:15/500m for the first 11,000m, and then I sped up (I was trying to catch-up with a 2:14 pace boat in RowPro). I did this because about a week ago I attempted a HM at a steady pace of 2:14/500, and ending up bailing at 60 mins.

What pacing strategies do others use?

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Re: This thing really works...

Post by Dangerscouse » August 14th, 2018, 6:23 am

JonWalters wrote:
August 14th, 2018, 3:32 am
Dangerscouse wrote:
August 12th, 2018, 2:37 pm

More or less five mins knocked off the PB!?! :shock: great effort.

This is a good marker to judge your next HM against. Going slower to go faster is counter intuitive but for a HM it does work. Pacing is important and difficult to judge when you start doing longer distances.
Thanks Stu - the 5 min reduction has been achieved in two chunks, and in just over 2 months, so I’m pleased overall with signs of progress...

This may be a daft question, but do people generally recommend negative splits, or doing the 2nd half of a race quicker than the first half?

For example, for this HM I decided to row at 2:15/500m for the first 11,000m, and then I sped up (I was trying to catch-up with a 2:14 pace boat in RowPro). I did this because about a week ago I attempted a HM at a steady pace of 2:14/500, and ending up bailing at 60 mins.

What pacing strategies do others use?

Jon
I personally prefer to flat pace and maybe neg split for the last 4-5k of a HM. Some days you're just firing on all cylinders and some days you aren't prepared and your head is telling you to give up. That's always a consideration regardless of preferred strategy.

HMs are a mental battle as well as they go on for quite a long time so you are more susceptible to negative thoughts. You will need to build your cardio base, which does take quite a lot of time, then you will be a lot more comfortable on timings, and don't always try and PB; not every day can be the best day. Accept the sessions where you are going slower but still relatively comfortable
44 Years Old; 6' 4"; 95kg; Liverpool, England 2k= 6:38; 5k= 17:29; 6k= 21:54; 10k= 36:21 30mins= 8,242m 60mins= 16,317m HM= 1:18:40; FM= 2:49:39; 50k= 3:28:18; 75k=5:29:15; 100k= 7:52:44; 12hrs = 153km

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