Fall Racing Series - Week 5 Results

[old] FrankJ · Post by **[old] FrankJ** » November 6th, 2005, 2:35 pm

Here are the scores half way through the series: <table width='95%' cellspacing='1' cellpadding='3' border='0' align='center'><tr><td><div class='genmed'>CODE</div></td></tr><tr><td class='code'><div> Pos. Cat. Name 5KH 5KS 6KH 6KS 1KH Total 1 M34H Pieter 11 93.2 13 93.7 22 232.9 2 M60H Frank 10 98.4 10 98.7 10 227.1 3 M34L Pedro 13 92.5 10 94.8 16 226.3 4 M41H Jaap 10 97.3 10 97.4 10 224.7 5 M44H Andreas 10 97.0 10 95.6 10 222.6 6 F26H Krysta 10 91.9 16 93.0 10 220.9 7 M52H Joe 0 99.0 10 99.7 10 218.7 8 M43L Jeff 11 95.1 10 92.2 10 218.3 9 M38H Phil 10 92.1 10 91.0 10 213.1 10 M46H Hennie 10 93.6 0 93.1 10 206.7 11 M40H Bill 10 88.0 10 88.3 10 206.3 12 M40H Michael 10 87.3 10 88.0 10 205.3 13 M48H Ernie 10 92.2 11 67.3 10 190.5 14 M42L Alain 10 0.0 11 87.1 10 118.1 15 M54H Royston 10 87.3 0 0.0 10 107.3 16 M41H Nigel 0 0.0 10 91.9 0 101.9 17 M47H Mark 10 81.3 0 0.0 10 101.3 18 M50H Steve 0 90.9 0 0.0 0 90.9 19 M38H Cees 0 0.0 0 84.6 0 84.6 20 F38H Shannon 0 0.0 0 83.6 0 83.6 21 M34H Jochem 0 81.0 0 0.0 0 81.0 22 M40H Holm 10 0.0 22 0.0 10 42.0 23 M43H Roland 10 0.0 10 0.0 13 33.0 24 M39H John 16 0.0 10 0.0 0 26.0 25 M51H Gus 22 0.0 0 0.0 0 22.0 26 M27H Stuart 11 0.0 0 0.0 10 21.0 27 ???? Bob 10 0.0 10 0.0 0 20.0 27 M79L Dean 10 0.0 0 0.0 10 20.0 27 M37H Tim 10 0.0 0 0.0 10 20.0 30 ???? Raymond 0 0.0 0 0.0 11 11.0 31 M42H Andy 0 0.0 0 0.0 10 10.0 31 F43H Christine 10 0.0 0 0.0 0 10.0 31 M48H Gary 10 0.0 0 0.0 0 10.0 31 M36H Gertwim 10 0.0 0 0.0 0 10.0 31 ???? Gustav 0 0.0 10 0.0 0 10.0 31 M45H Martin 0 0.0 0 0.0 10 10.0 31 M49H Paul 0 0.0 0 0.0 10 10.0 </div></td></tr></table> We have a new leader this week with a very nice PB in the 1K. Next week is the straight 1K

[old] mpukita · Post by **[old] mpukita** » November 6th, 2005, 3:00 pm

CONGRATULATIONS Pieter!!!

[old] andyArvid · Post by **[old] andyArvid** » November 6th, 2005, 5:55 pm

Frank, M42H

[old] jfisher · Post by **[old] jfisher** » November 7th, 2005, 4:53 pm

Glad to see someone besides Frank on top. I was beginning to think this was rigged. Jeff

[old] michaelb · Post by **[old] michaelb** » November 7th, 2005, 5:08 pm

Congrats to Pieter. I don't think the scoring should be changed or adjusted, but I have a question for future information. I know that several of us in the Sandbaggers 1k did not actually sandbag, we rowed with handicaps below our SB and sometimes PB times. Mark's handicap was 12 secs below PB for example. Bill finished close to 10 secs below his SB/PB. This wasn't the first week either I think that people rowed handicaps below their PB/SB (I think Krysta did this in earlier weeks). Is this adjusted for in the scoring at all, or are people who row with handicap's below their SB/PB times just voluntarly giving up that chance for bonus points in order to improve the competition in that race?

[old] FrankJ · Post by **[old] FrankJ** » November 7th, 2005, 7:54 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'>QUOTE(michaelb @ Nov 7 2005, 09:08 PM)</div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Congrats to Pieter. I don't think the scoring should be changed or adjusted, but I have a question for future information. I know that several of us in the Sandbaggers 1k did not actually sandbag, we rowed with handicaps below our SB and sometimes PB times. Mark's handicap was 12 secs below PB for example. Bill finished close to 10 secs below his SB/PB. This wasn't the first week either I think that people rowed handicaps below their PB/SB (I think Krysta did this in earlier weeks). Is this adjusted for in the scoring at all, or are people who row with handicap's below their SB/PB times just voluntarly giving up that chance for bonus points in order to improve the competition in that race? </td></tr></table> Michael, The scoring comes from the data I receive or can find. Sometimes the race masters send me the data. In the case of the Sandbaggers 1K I pulled the numbers from what was published here in the forum. If there are better numbers just point me to them or send me an e-mail. I spend a lot of time every week tracking down data for the scoring but I still miss things. Technically the start delays can be set to whatever but the scoring should be based on the rower's PB/SB time. If they don't have a PB/SB at the distance being contested we can calculate one based on previous results at other distances using the Nonathlon score to predict the time. Frank

[old] Roland Baltutis · Post by **[old] Roland Baltutis** » November 7th, 2005, 10:58 pm

I can understand that setting up fair handicaps can be a real headache for the race masters. However towards the end of the Fall series people are going to start picking the eyes out of it after perusing through the results. As an example, in the fast fall handicap 1 K race someone looking for vital points may have questioned the result. Jaap and myself were last to start with a 15 second delay based on a 3.04 handicap. If handicaps are meant to make everyone cross the line together then Pieter who won the race in 3.11 and a net time of 3.06, who started 10 seconds before us, should have had a 10 second delay and not 5 second delay to finish about the same time as Hennie, Jaap and myself (around 3.15). That way he would have come second and consequently changed the overall leader board. On the other hand you could argue that Pieter put in a great race, way above expectations, and should get full congratulations for it. Pedro or Frank who are close to Pieter on the leader board may have viewed it differently if it was the last handicap race. There's always going to be someone unhappy with the handicap process so I try not to take handicap races too seriously. That's why I much prefer the straight races where there can be no dispute with the result. In the fast fall races Jaap, Andreas and myself have always started last together so at least we get head to head close competition. Our SBs are not equal. I say bring on the 1K straight race and let's see how many go sub 3. Rockin Roland

[old] bmoore · Post by **[old] bmoore** » November 7th, 2005, 11:25 pm

Hey, sub 3 isn't a problem...of course I'll have another 100m to get to the finish. Handicap races need to be kept fun and not taken too seriously, unless there's a history of performance at a certain level. Golf handicaps use the average of several recent scores, but we don't have that luxury, so we have to take the good with the bad. I don't really worry about the scoring for this, because I just love the camaradarie of racing. (And the M40H is a tough bracket to score on the nonathlon scores). I'll have an opportunity to game the system on the 2k, since my PB is from July and is about 20 seconds slower than what my 4x1k workouts suggest I can do. For the 1k, I gave up about 8 seconds from my PB on the delay that would have won the heat, but I didn't feel that was fair, since my 1k PB came from an interval session. So, I'll be pulling seconds off for the HC race on the 2k to make it more fair and to have a close finish. I'd encourage anyone with more aggressive performance capabilities to accurately estimate their performance and adjust their HC time accordingly. (This should be a one way adjustment).

[old] hennmart · Post by **[old] hennmart** » November 8th, 2005, 3:07 am

These races are great fun. I participate because it's a great way to bring out the best in me and what I see also in others. It's fun to race against others and to see that there is always room for improvement. Hennie

[old] Andreas · Post by **[old] Andreas** » November 8th, 2005, 2:44 pm

Hi Frank Thanx again for all your hard work, it is very easy for us to oversee the efford you put it. Just one question: I saw that you gave my 10 points for the 1k HR.Although I showed up for the race,I didn't start(since I had food poisoning and felt realy bad). Do we get points for showing up or for completing the race?

[old] Sir Pirate · Post by **[old] Sir Pirate** » November 8th, 2005, 2:51 pm

Do we get points for a SB time rowed? Andreas got 10 points and so did I, even though I rowed a SB and Andreas did not start (think he was scared in case I joined his race ) Just asking the question, not bothered about the points, it all about the row for me. Glad you are on the mend Andreas. Sir P

[old] Andreas · Post by **[old] Andreas** » November 8th, 2005, 2:59 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'>QUOTE(Sir Pirate @ Nov 8 2005, 01:51 PM)</div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Do we get points for a SB time rowed? Andreas got 10 points and so did I, even though I rowed a SB and Andreas did not start (think he was scared in case I joined his race ) Just asking the question, not bothered about the points, it all about the row for me. Glad you are on the mend Andreas. Sir P </td></tr></table> Seems you need somebody to cogratualate you???!!! ... So I will do that: WELL DONE SIR PIRATE. You deserve your 10 points

[old] FrankJ · Post by **[old] FrankJ** » November 8th, 2005, 6:45 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'>QUOTE(Sir Pirate @ Nov 8 2005, 06:51 PM)</div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Do we get points for a SB time rowed? Andreas got 10 points and so did I, even though I rowed a SB and Andreas did not start (think he was scared in case I joined his race ) Just asking the question, not bothered about the points, it all about the row for me. Glad you are on the mend Andreas. Sir P </td></tr></table> Sir P, You're 5' 11" 86Kg. Andreas, on the other hand, is a big guy and he is all muscle. If he wants points he gets points and I am happy to award him the points. Actually the points award was based on Jaap's comment that Andreas had "joined but did not race(sick)." It's the attempt that counts. Frank

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