Ranger's training thread

[Fred]

Is Rich lying, delusional, or both? That's what I was always trying to figure out.

[ranger]

Is Rich lying, delusional, or both? That's what I was always trying to figure out.

No, talented and diligent--both.

Fred, I was four seconds under the 50s lwt WR in my first race, even though I didn't know how to row.

Now, I am developing some of that raw talent, slowly and systematically.

ranger

[ranger]

I wasn't suggesting you try it because you're interested in it, I suggested it because it would shut up everyone complaining that the thread should be locked, without requiring a huge commitment in time or effort from you.

What others complain about is not my problem.

I am just training and reporting my training.

Take it or leave it.

What folks want to praise or blame is up to them.

Doesn't have anything to do with me.

They are just talkin' about themselves.

Their fear, anxiety, insecurity, inability, inexperience, misunderstanding, etc.

ranger

[ranger]

BTW, new additions to the scenery up here in Door County are various large birds--eagles, pelicans, herons, cranes, etc.

Never had these birds before.

Over the weekend, when we were over on the islands, we climbed a lookout tower, and looking up from the top of the tower, we saw a couple of dozen pellicans, a half mile up, gliding in a coordinated circle in the brilliant sun, flashing their whites and blacks, as they drifted in the updraft.

Amazing sight.

Pelicans have _huge_ wings and are like gliders.

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=htt ... IMBEPUBMAo

Bald eagles have also been multiplying in the US.

Door County now has a thriving population of eagles.

We see some every day.

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=htt ... CGAQ9QEwBw

Three cranes just flew by.

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=htt ... CDYQ9QEwBQ

ranger

[Fred]

Fred, I was four seconds under the 50s lwt WR in my first race,

very true, and quite an accomplishment.

but,if you cant row a sub 18:00 5k (1:48 average pace), what convinces you you can row a 1:32:00 FM (1:48 average)?

[ranger]

Fred, I was four seconds under the 50s lwt WR in my first race,

very true, and quite an accomplishment.

but,if you cant row a sub 18:00 5k (1:48 average pace), what convinces you you can row a 1:32:00 FM (1:48 average)?

Your assumption has no basis.

My 5K target is 1:39 @ 31 spm at AT.

I don't row a 5K trial at 23 spm at low UT1.

For me, low UT1 is 155 bpm.

AT is 180 bpm.

Low UT1 is steady state.

AT isn't.

ranger

[Fred]

Fred, I was four seconds under the 50s lwt WR in my first race,

very true, and quite an accomplishment.
but,if you cant row a sub 18:00 5k (1:48 average pace), what convinces you you can row a 1:32:00 FM (1:48 average)?

<>My 5K target is 1:39 @ 31 spm at AT. <>

Regardless of what your "target" is, if you cant row a sub 18:00 5k (1:48 average pace), what convinces you you can row a 1:32:00 FM (1:48 average)?

[ranger]

Regardless of what your "target" is, if you cant row a sub 18:00 5k (1:48 average pace), what convinces you you can row a 1:32:00 FM (1:48 average)?

Your conception of training is inverted.

Your assumption has no basis.

I will row a FM, 1:48 @ 23 spm, steady state, at low UT1.

That will convince me that I can row a 5K, 1:39/16:30 @ 31 spm, at AT.

ranger

[Fred]

Regardless of what your "target" is, if you cant row a sub 18:00 5k (1:48 average pace), what convinces you you can row a 2:32:00 FM (1:48 average)?

I will row a FM, 1:48 @ 23 spm, steady state, at low UT1.

ah, i get it
you aren't talking about doing a 2:32:00 FM (1:48 average). You are talking about doing a 2:55:00 FM (2:05 average) where you sometimes see 1:48 on the PM.

That would mean you can do a 18:00 5k, where you see 1:39 occasionally.

I agree with you there. So you are sort of obliquely acknowledging that you cant do a 2:32:00 FM (1:48 average pace).

[Fred]

I can row a 5K, 1:39/16:30 @ 31 spm, at AT.

What makes you think you can do a 16:30 5k (1:39 average), when you cant do a 6:36 2k (1:39 average)?

[ranger]

I can row a 5K, 1:39/16:30 @ 31 spm, at AT.

What makes you think you can do a 16:30 5k (1:39 average), when you cant do a 6:36 2k (1:39 average)?

Your conception of training is inverted.

I'll do a 5K at 1:39.

This will convince me I can do a 2K at 1:34.

5Ks and 2Ks require different preparation.

ranger

[ben990]

I can row a 5K, 1:39/16:30 @ 31 spm, at AT.

What makes you think you can do a 16:30 5k (1:39 average), when you cant do a 6:36 2k (1:39 average)?

Your conception of training is inverted.

I'll do a 5K at 1:39.

This will convince me I can do a 2K at 1:34.

5Ks and 2Ks require different preparation.

ranger

Naw.

I am barely convinced that you can do a 2K in 7:34.

[Fred]

I can row a 5K, 1:39/16:30 @ 31 spm, at AT.

What makes you think you can do a 16:30 5k (1:39 average), when you cant do a 6:36 2k (1:39 average)?

I'll do a 5K at 1:39.
This will convince me I can do a 2K at 1:34.

Ah, ok, you have dropped the average pace from your claims, so since you arent claiming anything, your statement is ok.

To help you understand my earlier statement, look at it like this:
If you cant erg for 6min and 32 sec at an average pace of 1:39, what makes you think that you can row a longer distance at that same average pace? You see the logical fallacy right? Lancs asks this question of you quite a bit, but you never answer it
Your delusion is astoundingly resilient.

[lancs]

Is Rich lying, delusional, or both? That's what I was always trying to figure out.

I think this is the question that keeps me coming back here on a fairly regular basis. And even having met the guy briefly once at BIRC some years back, I couldn't say for sure which it is. His answers to your persistant questioning about his absolute inability to complete a 5k at his 'FM' pace illustrate this.

I mean seriously, this is pure classic gold Ranger:

if you cant row a sub 18:00 5k (1:48 average pace), what convinces you you can row a 1:32:00 FM (1:48 average)?

Your assumption has no basis.

My 5K target is 1:39 @ 31 spm at AT.

I don't row a 5K trial at 23 spm at low UT1.

For me, low UT1 is 155 bpm.

AT is 180 bpm.

Low UT1 is steady state.

AT isn't.

ranger

So when faced with the plain reality that he cannot row an 18min 5k anymore, his response is simply that his 5k target is 9 sec/500m quicker. Brilliant.

[Bob S.]

I have looked at this train wreck for too long.

Who is forcing you to look at it?

Bob S.