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Fitness Tests

Post by gregsmith01748 » November 13th, 2015, 10:52 am

So, what do you do to figure out how fit you are? I decided that I was going to get more organized about measuring where I am and what I need to work on. My thought is to do do testing 2 or three times a year. Once at the end of the OTW season (November) and once before the start of the OTW season (March). It might be a good idea to do testing in the middle of the summer as well when I switch gears from sprints to head races.

I decided to do a series of 4 tests.
1. 2-speed lactate test
2. 1 minute peak power test
3. 2K test
4. 6K test

There is a specific purpose for each of the tests, and they focus on different things.

1. The 2-speed lactate test

ref: The Science of Winning, Olbrecht

For this test you do the same distance twice (I did it as a 1K). The first time at a power around your lactate threshold power (6K pace), and again around your estimated VO2Max power (2K pace). You measure you lactates after each piece. By plotting these lactate levels and powers, you can compare both your aerobic fitness (by horizontal position of the line) and your anaerobic fitness (by the slope). It is most useful to use to compare to prior results for the same athlete to see if you are getting fitter or less fit. The good things about the test are that it is not horrifically taxing, and getting the test power exactly right is not necessary for an accurate test result because your lactate level will be corresponding higher or lower along the same line.

The results of this test looked like this for me:
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2. 1 minute Peak power test

Ref: Rowing Faster, Chapter 6.

This test is a bastard. the instructions tell you to row as hard as you can for a minute, but there is a devilish twist. You are not supposed to pace yourself. You are supposed to take every stroke as hard as you possibly can, and the point of the test is to track how you power output peaks and then fades as your muscles slowly seize up. It is an adaptation of a "wingate test", which I had never heard of or done. The point of this test is to provide an objective assessment of your peak power output and ability to sustain power anaerobically.

It took me three attempts to get through a minute, and it obviously impacted my results. I intellectually knew that it was going to be a painful and difficult experience in the last thirty seconds, but it still took me by surprise. I plan to do a repeat of this on fresh legs next week.

Here are my results for my first failed attempt and the one I completed:
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The good news, I improved my Low Pull by a few seconds (from 700W to 770W). Just like the 2 speed test, this provides a baseline for me to compare to after I have done a block of power focused training.

3. 2K test

Simple as can be. Row 2K, record the time. It's a half decent proxy for VO2Max power. I did my trial today, with these results:
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I had a little crisis around 800m when the going got tough, but pulled it back together. I'm a long way off my PB (14 seconds), but I haven't done any erg based sprint or power training to speak of recently, so I'm reasonably happy. (It also put me 18th in the rankings for my age group)

The other thing a 2K test is good for is to provide reference pacing for lots of training pieces.

4. 6K

As simple as the 2K. Row 6K record the time. It's a very good measure of aerobic fitness. Anaerobic abilities won't help you here. 6K also provides a useful pace marker for long intervals. I'm planning to do this on Sunday.

Once I have all the numbers, I will use them to figure out how to balance endurance, lactate tolerance, sprint and power training leading up to the Crash-Bs. Then I will redo the tests after the Crash-Bs to see if the plan worked.

What do you think? What testing do you do? How often do you do it?
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Post by Livio Livius » November 13th, 2015, 11:58 am

Will follow your progress. One question for those without lactaat equipment, could the first test also be replaced by avg watts over the 1k's? If so I would only do the 1k@VO2max (which is in a way an extended 1 min effort?) and use the 6k in session 4 to record avg watss.

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Post by christopherregisryan » November 13th, 2015, 12:29 pm

gregsmith01748 wrote: What do you think? What testing do you do? How often do you do it?
You are amazing, Greg. I hope that you devote at least some of your bandwidth to splicing genes or curing Alzheimer's. I do not measure my physiological adaptations, but rather focus on improving my results. I will cycle through the nonathlon over the year and look for improvement at each distance. I have to admit that I lifted your "work the extremes" philosophy for my training program this year. I spent the summer doing a lot of steady state (@2k + 25-30) to work on my weak aerobic engine. For the run up to CRASH-B's, I will integrate very aggressive speed intervals (1k pace) and let my volume drop to accommodate this and the related recovery. I do check my HR to make sure that I stay far away from my AeT on my steady state. Otherwise, I let my numbers tell me where I need to focus. For me, it is so glaringly obvious that my long distance performance is weak that I am confident where I need to work. I did do the ratios between VO2 Max (353.2); AT (255.9); AeT (197.6) and PP (829.6) that you suggested a few months ago. These confirmed that I should go down to the basement and start pulling slowly until Thanksgiving. Anyway, I am optimistic that I will avoid the dreaded plateau for at least a year or two with this program. Best - Chris

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Post by gregsmith01748 » November 13th, 2015, 12:51 pm

Livio Livius wrote:Will follow your progress. One question for those without lactaat equipment, could the first test also be replaced by avg watts over the 1k's? If so I would only do the 1k@VO2max (which is in a way an extended 1 min effort?) and use the 6k in session 4 to record avg watss.
I don't think the 2-speed test is very useful without lactates. The main thing is to try to find a way to reduce the impact of non-quantifiable variables (like how hard you try) on the measurement of fitness. If you are not measuring lactate, I'd suggest that you skip that test and measure your end HR for the 2K and 6K tests. In addition to just looking at the times, you can judge how hard you pushed in the trial by comparing those.
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Post by gregsmith01748 » November 13th, 2015, 12:58 pm

christopherregisryan wrote:I do not measure my physiological adaptations, but rather focus on improving my results.
Sounds perfectly reasonable to me.
I did do the ratios between VO2 Max (353.2); AT (255.9); AeT (197.6) and PP (829.6) that you suggested a few months ago. These confirmed that I should go down to the basement and start pulling slowly until Thanksgiving. Anyway, I am optimistic that I will avoid the dreaded plateau for at least a year or two with this program. Best - Chris
Still some very impressive numbers. I'm jealous of your peak power number. I'm hoping with some work I can squeeze up to 800W. I think with the program you outline (consistent base meters, then changing the focus of the hard stuff through the year to peak for competitions) will continue to yield improvements. The stuff I am reading now suggests that using some kind of block periodization like that is a good way to avoid getting stale.
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Post by christopherregisryan » November 13th, 2015, 3:13 pm

gregsmith01748 wrote:I'm jealous of your peak power number. I'm hoping with some work I can squeeze up to 800W.
I spent most of my 40's doing low rep weightlifting: deadlifts, power cleans, lunges, etc. If I had to pick one exercise to increase power, it would be the power clean (combines speed and strength). On the other hand, my daughter swears by step ups and box jumps to build peak power. Maybe after your AT sessions during your transition phase from head race season to the indoor season? Your OTW work probably has your aerobic system in pretty good condition.

Thank you, Greg, for posting up all of your different tests and results. I have benefitted enormously from your research and analysis. Best. - Chris

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Post by Balkan boy » November 13th, 2015, 3:38 pm

Greg,
Thanks for sharing your meticulous work. I've been following and learning a lot.

Is all of your training geared towards improving on 2km distance?

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Post by gregsmith01748 » November 13th, 2015, 5:10 pm

Balkan boy wrote:Greg,
Thanks for sharing your meticulous work. I've been following and learning a lot.

Is all of your training geared towards improving on 2km distance?
Depends on the time of year. Right now I am focusing on hitting a 2k performance peak at the CRASH-Bs. After that, it is really more focused on 6K performance for OTW head racing in the fall. There are OTW sprints in the early summer, but aside from practicing racing starts and doing a bit of sprint training, I won't really deviate from a plan to build aerobic base and lactate tolerance for longer races.
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Post by Edward4492 » November 13th, 2015, 11:45 pm

Really love your dedication to the scientific approach to rowing. In the process of switching from predominantly long steady state stuff (15k at 2:05 to 2:10, 80% HR cap) to the shorter faster stuff with erg racing season coming up. Looking for a decent showing at "B's", but at age 59(LWT) at the top of my age group best hope is top six. But there's a lot of local events where I want to show well. Anyway, I'm following your progress and always look forward to your posts

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Post by gregsmith01748 » November 14th, 2015, 12:17 am

Edward4492 wrote:Really love your dedication to the scientific approach to rowing. In the process of switching from predominantly long steady state stuff (15k at 2:05 to 2:10, 80% HR cap) to the shorter faster stuff with erg racing season coming up. Looking for a decent showing at "B's", but at age 59(LWT) at the top of my age group best hope is top six. But there's a lot of local events where I want to show well. Anyway, I'm following your progress and always look forward to your posts
I'm just hoping for a top 10 finish. I managed 6th in 2014, but it looks like the times got a bit quicker last year.
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Post by gregsmith01748 » November 14th, 2015, 12:19 am

christopherregisryan wrote: Thank you, Greg, for posting up all of your different tests and results. I have benefitted enormously from your research and analysis. Best. - Chris
All that changes now that I see that I beat you by one place back in 2014, and your times have gotten faster since then! I suggest that you start sharpening now!
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Post by christopherregisryan » November 14th, 2015, 10:18 am

gregsmith01748 wrote: All that changes now that I see that I beat you by one place back in 2014, and your times have gotten faster since then! I suggest that you start sharpening now!
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One of the great things about rowing is the mutual support that rowers share. You will certainly get assist attribution on any improvements I can wring out of my 54-year-old body this season! Even small improvements are super encouraging as I get older. Training smarter is the only way, as training harder will just lead to overtraining. You are helping a lot of folks on the forum.

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Post by gregsmith01748 » November 16th, 2015, 7:00 pm

So, test week is done. It was very instructive.

The tests that I did were:
- 2-speed lactate test (to set a baseline for future tests)
- 1 minute peak power test
- 2K test (to get a proxy for VO2Max power)
- 6K test (to get a proxy for Anaerobic Threshold Power)

Results

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The 2-speed test doesn't tell anything now.  It is something that can be repeated easily to measure progress over time.

For the other tests:

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In more understandable terms, I pulled a 6:50.4 for the 2K, and a 21:29.5 for the 6K. I'm happy with the 6K, and unhappy with the 2K. I think I ca get a LOT faster for the 2K.

The ratios shown in the table are from Chapter 6 or Rowing Faster and reflect the characteristics of elite rowers. Whether or not they fit old, decrepit rowers like me is an open question, but it does provide a standard to at least compare to.

The first take away from these tests is that I have a bigger gap between aerobic threshold and VO2Max.  Basically, this means that my 2K is faster than "should" be based on my aerobic threshold power.  I'm guessing that this means that my lactate tolerance is higher than some and allows me to overachieve on the 2K.  The diagnosis is that I should build a better aerobic base.

The second take away is that the ratio between my V02Max (2K power) and my anaerobic threshold (6K power), is very small.  In terms of pace, my 2K pace was 1:42.6.  My 6K pace was 1:47.5.  That's a difference of 4.9 seconds.  In general, for heavyweights, the rule of thumb is 5 seconds slower pace when you double the distance (Paul's law).  If you plug in my 6K pace, the predicted 2K pace is 1:39.5, about 3 splits faster!  So, the take away from this for me is that my 2K is pretty damn slow.

Now consider the VO2Max to 30 sec avg power.  My ratio is much higher than the "Ideal", essentially meaning that my peak power is low relative to my VO2Max.  So, even though my 2K is slow, if I was to use peak power as a predictor it should be slower still!  This again points to me leaning more heavily on lactate tolerance than anaerobic power to get through the 2K distance

In essence, none of this should be surprising.  I designed a training plan to focus on head racing.  I wanted to optimize my performance at the 5K to 6K distance, and it looks like that is what happened.  In retrospect, I would have done better if I had been able to maintain and build my aerobic base, but the deficits in peak power are entirely expected and entirely fine with me.

So, how do these results impact my training plan?  Honestly, not much.  I already suspected that my aerobic base was weak from the lame ass 2.0mmol steady powers that I could hold, and I baked a higher amount of endurance into the plan for that reason.  I also had baked in a training block with a lot of peak power work in the last month before 2K competition since I know that those gains are temporary and tough to maintain without killing my aerobic base.

The interesting part of this (at least to me) is to see what happens when I do the test block after the Crash-Bs to see if what I'm planning to do actually works.  The other thing that the testing gives me is a clue about what to do next summer to get ready for head racing season.  My thought now is to replace one high intensity session per week with more endurance training.  I'll have to think some more in terms of a block periodization strategy.
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Post by hjs » November 16th, 2015, 7:21 pm

Nice work Greg, I would like to ad one thing. To keep your fast fiber muscle you have to use them, if you train most the year trying to improve your aerobic fitness you do not train your fast muscle fiber. To train those you don,t have to do very much and also don,t have to train the lactic system, keep it short enough so only use the alactic system. That way you keep your fast fibers alive without interfering much with your aerobic training.

Other point, you are not a real heavyweight, you lack height, you could be very close to lightweight. The real heavies are seldom below 1.90 and often closer to 2.00m. So at best you are a middleweight for comparison reasons.

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Post by brianh » November 16th, 2015, 10:19 pm

I keep time trials in my regular workout rotation. I know most people don't, but I feel like they're definitely effective physical workouts, and irreplaceably effective mental workouts. I've been making a point of doing 2K, 30 minute, and 60 minute TT's within the first week of each month. Since just doing a 2K is so much easier to recover from than a 60min, and I'm trying to make my daily effort feel somewhat more consistent, I've been doing 2K TT, 2k rest, 2k TT... and I'm working up the mental fortitude to go for a 3rd round.

The one minute test sounds spectacularly awful. I'm going to add that in, too. :mrgreen:

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