Chad's Accusations ... See My Post Before Voting!

[[old] PaulS]

<!--QuoteBegin-gw1+Jan 22 2006, 06:41 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(gw1 @ Jan 22 2006, 06:41 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I'm only counting verified votes to avoid ballot box stuffing which it looks like may have happened here. </td></tr></table><br /><br />I see your point but I thought the whole point of the greater issue was that of trust.<br />The forum often has anonymous users that vote! Are we not to trust any of them? <br /><br />FB <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Ya know, there are a lot of reasonable folks who are voting "No", but it appears that they are doing so based completely on "literal interpretation" rather than "feeling" or "belief" which is what this poll was about. I'd vote "no" if "literal interpretation" is what was being asked. <br /><br />How about this?<br /><br /><i>Your name here</i>, Fake or real?<br /><br />Are <i>Your name here</i>'s ranking times real?<br /><br />Yes or No<br /><br />Now do you feel as if your credibility has been called into question? <br />(Which, <b>I believe</b>, is pretty much the same thing as being called a "liar" or a "cheat".)<br /><br />I know it's tough for us guys, but get in touch with your "feelings" for this one, it's not about literally being called a "Cheating liar".<br /><br />Just for the "No"'s, did any of you think that Dwaynes response to Chad was "over the top" (It apparently hacked Chad off.) , or was it a reasonable response to having his name trotted out in such a manner? (I thought it was fine, but I voted yes here, so it doesn't count.)

[[old] Chad Williams]

Why don't you lot grow up!! You don't intimidate me in any way; I find your schoolboy behavior rather embarrassing. It is the same handful of attention seekers day in and day out.<br />Do you not have any sort of life to be getting on with?<br /><br />I will know longer rise to your bait.

[[old] gw1]

<!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Just for the "No"'s, did any of you think that Dwaynes response to Chad was "over the top" </td></tr></table><br /><br />No, I don't think it was over the top.<br />I think the fact that Chad has "come out of no where" and rehashed this subject in a very direct way is what has so many rowled up. <br />He "apparently", and Andreas are in the upper % of DA's division, as was I and there is a definite difference between his competition results and his posted times. However personally if his non 2000m record times fall within the guildlines of C2 and are witnessed by USIRA officials i'm good with that!<br />I have had a couple of PM's from both Andreas, DA and Big George over the years about times etc. <br />I have a lot of respect for Andreas for his efforts in travelling great distances for one 6 min race AND his good results. <br />I also have great respect for Dwaynne and the incredible results and training he has produced. Do i see anything strange in the race and training results, yes, how much does it bother me? Not enough to put any real thought to it!<br />I am really looking forward to seeing what he pulls this weekend however, and i do think he'll go under 6.<br /><br />GW

[[old] PaulS]

<!--QuoteBegin-Chad Williams+Jan 22 2006, 07:25 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Chad Williams @ Jan 22 2006, 07:25 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Why don't you lot grow up!! You don't intimidate me in any way; I find your schoolboy behavior rather embarrassing. It is the same handful of attention seekers day in and day out.<br />Do you not have any sort of life to be getting on with?<br /><br />I will know longer rise to your bait. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />What is this all about? <br /><br />176 posts in less than a week of joining in the fray, that is very impressive!

[[old] Porkchop]

<!--QuoteBegin-Chad Williams+Jan 22 2006, 10:25 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Chad Williams @ Jan 22 2006, 10:25 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Why don't you lot grow up!! You don't <b><i>intimate</i></b> me in any way; I find your schoolboy behavior rather embarrassing. [right] <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />"Intimacy" is the last thing we want; please believe me on that. It's good to hear (finally) that <b><i>something</i></b> embarrasses you. Now we know that you haven't gone completely off the tracks.<br /><br /><!--QuoteBegin-Chad Williams+Jan 22 2006, 10:25 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Chad Williams @ Jan 22 2006, 10:25 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->It is the same handful of attention seekers day in and day out.  Do you not have any sort of life to be getting on with?[right] <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />This is your <b><i>176th post in 6 days</i></b>; nearly all have been on two threads. If there is any attention-seeking going on, it is clearly on your part. Look in the mirror. Do <b><i>you</i></b> not have any sort of life to be getting on with? I gather that "attention-seeking" is the same as "not agreeing with Chad"?<br /><br /><!--QuoteBegin-Chad Williams+Jan 22 2006, 10:25 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Chad Williams @ Jan 22 2006, 10:25 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I will know longer rise to your bait. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Promises, promises. . . . It is likely that you will be back -- again and again. But in the hope that you won't: " 'Bye."

[[old] Chad Williams]

<!--QuoteBegin-Porkchop+Jan 22 2006, 10:53 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Porkchop @ Jan 22 2006, 10:53 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--> " 'Bye."   <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br /> Ohhhhm I'm not going anywhere <br /><br />Just won't be rising to your bait

[[old] Porkchop]

<!--QuoteBegin-Chad Williams+Jan 22 2006, 11:15 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Chad Williams @ Jan 22 2006, 11:15 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-Porkchop+Jan 22 2006, 10:53 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Porkchop @ Jan 22 2006, 10:53 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--> " 'Bye."   <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br /> Ohhhhm I'm not going anywhere <br /><br />Just won't be rising to your bait <br /> </td></tr></table><br />You just did, didn't you?

[[old] FrancoisA]

<!--QuoteBegin-cbrock+Jan 22 2006, 03:07 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(cbrock @ Jan 22 2006, 03:07 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Firstly, I believe that it was quite improper for Chad to nominate Dwayne in person. <br /><br />Secondly, the personal nature of the debate and subsequent language was quite offensive.<br /><br />However I have a view, which I know is not shared by at least 50% of the audience that if you are going to put yourself out there in the public arena and post times that are equivalent to the best in the world, then you must be prepared to back those times up, if questioned, either by providing substantive proof or preferably by competing in the public arena.<br /><br />Each of us is perfectly entiled to maintain the position that we have no obligation to substantiaate any of our times or compete publicly.<br /><br />However, if you want to be recognised as the holder of the best two or three times in your age group then I would suggest that this view is no longer compatible with that philosophy. <br /> </td></tr></table><br />Very well said Chris!<br /><br />I also voted NO, even though I think Chad could not have come any closer to calling Dwayne a liar.<br /><br />I can already see something very positive out of those painful, highly emotional and divisive posts we have exchanged in the last few days. In the end, and irrespective of the outcome of Dwayne's time trial, Chad will have made a positive contribution with regard to accountability, being prepared to substantiate any of our times when we are amongst the best. I just wish we had reached that goal more gracefully!<br /><br />Francois

[[old] John Rupp]

<!--QuoteBegin-mpukita+Jan 22 2006, 06:12 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(mpukita @ Jan 22 2006, 06:12 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Very close poll.  Forget the totals on the top of the screen for a moment.  For those that were willing to identify themselves for this, the totals now are 7 YES to 9 NO.  Pretty close.<br /><br /><b>YES</b><br /><br />1) mpukita<br />2) PaulS<br />3) Porkchop<br />4) Darren C<br />5) Carl Henrik<br />6) PaulH<br />7) haboustak </td></tr></table><br /><br />Mark,<br /><br />Don't you know these first 7 are all the same person. <br /><br />That makes it 7 yes and 21 no's.

[[old] John Rupp]

<!--QuoteBegin-PaulS+Jan 22 2006, 07:11 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(PaulS @ Jan 22 2006, 07:11 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->did any of you think that Dwaynes response to Chad was "over the top" </td></tr></table><br /><br />Definitely. <br />

[[old] PaulS]

<!--QuoteBegin-John Rupp+Jan 22 2006, 09:18 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(John Rupp @ Jan 22 2006, 09:18 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-PaulS+Jan 22 2006, 07:11 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(PaulS @ Jan 22 2006, 07:11 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->did any of you think that Dwaynes response to Chad was "over the top" </td></tr></table><br /><br />Definitely. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Nuf said.

[[old] mpukita]

<!--QuoteBegin-FrancoisA+Jan 22 2006, 01:09 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(FrancoisA @ Jan 22 2006, 01:09 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-cbrock+Jan 22 2006, 03:07 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(cbrock @ Jan 22 2006, 03:07 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Firstly, I believe that it was quite improper for Chad to nominate Dwayne in person. <br /><br />Secondly, the personal nature of the debate and subsequent language was quite offensive.<br /><br />However I have a view, which I know is not shared by at least 50% of the audience that if you are going to put yourself out there in the public arena and post times that are equivalent to the best in the world, then you must be prepared to back those times up, if questioned, either by providing substantive proof or preferably by competing in the public arena.<br /><br />Each of us is perfectly entiled to maintain the position that we have no obligation to substantiaate any of our times or compete publicly.<br /><br />However, if you want to be recognised as the holder of the best two or three times in your age group then I would suggest that this view is no longer compatible with that philosophy. <br /> </td></tr></table><br />Very well said Chris!<br /><br />I also voted NO, even though I think Chad could not have come any closer to calling Dwayne a liar.<br /><br />I can already see something very positive out of those painful, highly emotional and divisive posts we have exchanged in the last few days. In the end, and irrespective of the outcome of Dwayne's time trial, Chad will have made a positive contribution with regard to accountability, being prepared to substantiate any of our times when we are amongst the best. I just wish we had reached that goal more gracefully!<br /><br />Francois <br /> </td></tr></table><br />Francois (my good friend):<br /><br />Please look at what you just wrote. If he couldn't have come any closer, how could this not be true?<br /><br />Regards -- Mark

[[old] FrancoisA]

<!--QuoteBegin-mpukita+Jan 22 2006, 05:54 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(mpukita @ Jan 22 2006, 05:54 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-FrancoisA+Jan 22 2006, 01:09 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(FrancoisA @ Jan 22 2006, 01:09 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-cbrock+Jan 22 2006, 03:07 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(cbrock @ Jan 22 2006, 03:07 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Firstly, I believe that it was quite improper for Chad to nominate Dwayne in person. <br /><br />Secondly, the personal nature of the debate and subsequent language was quite offensive.<br /><br />However I have a view, which I know is not shared by at least 50% of the audience that if you are going to put yourself out there in the public arena and post times that are equivalent to the best in the world, then you must be prepared to back those times up, if questioned, either by providing substantive proof or preferably by competing in the public arena.<br /><br />Each of us is perfectly entiled to maintain the position that we have no obligation to substantiaate any of our times or compete publicly.<br /><br />However, if you want to be recognised as the holder of the best two or three times in your age group then I would suggest that this view is no longer compatible with that philosophy. <br /> </td></tr></table><br />Very well said Chris!<br /><br />I also voted NO, even though I think Chad could not have come any closer to calling Dwayne a liar.<br /><br />I can already see something very positive out of those painful, highly emotional and divisive posts we have exchanged in the last few days. In the end, and irrespective of the outcome of Dwayne's time trial, Chad will have made a positive contribution with regard to accountability, being prepared to substantiate any of our times when we are amongst the best. I just wish we had reached that goal more gracefully!<br /><br />Francois <br /> </td></tr></table><br />Francois (my good friend):<br /><br />Please look at what you just wrote. If he couldn't have come any closer, how could this not be true?<br /><br />Regards -- Mark <br /> </td></tr></table><br />Mark,<br /><br />Let's say that there is a microscopically thin line that he didn't cross, but he came within a picometer of it! <br />Seriously Mark, I don't think it is worth going on a crusade for this and certainly not worth putting our friendship at risk! All will be over soon when Dwayne, no doubt, posts an excellent time. <br /><br />Regards<br /><br />Francois

[[old] mpukita]

<!--QuoteBegin-FrancoisA+Jan 22 2006, 03:12 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(FrancoisA @ Jan 22 2006, 03:12 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-mpukita+Jan 22 2006, 05:54 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(mpukita @ Jan 22 2006, 05:54 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-FrancoisA+Jan 22 2006, 01:09 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(FrancoisA @ Jan 22 2006, 01:09 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-cbrock+Jan 22 2006, 03:07 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(cbrock @ Jan 22 2006, 03:07 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Firstly, I believe that it was quite improper for Chad to nominate Dwayne in person. <br /><br />Secondly, the personal nature of the debate and subsequent language was quite offensive.<br /><br />However I have a view, which I know is not shared by at least 50% of the audience that if you are going to put yourself out there in the public arena and post times that are equivalent to the best in the world, then you must be prepared to back those times up, if questioned, either by providing substantive proof or preferably by competing in the public arena.<br /><br />Each of us is perfectly entiled to maintain the position that we have no obligation to substantiaate any of our times or compete publicly.<br /><br />However, if you want to be recognised as the holder of the best two or three times in your age group then I would suggest that this view is no longer compatible with that philosophy. <br /> </td></tr></table><br />Very well said Chris!<br /><br />I also voted NO, even though I think Chad could not have come any closer to calling Dwayne a liar.<br /><br />I can already see something very positive out of those painful, highly emotional and divisive posts we have exchanged in the last few days. In the end, and irrespective of the outcome of Dwayne's time trial, Chad will have made a positive contribution with regard to accountability, being prepared to substantiate any of our times when we are amongst the best. I just wish we had reached that goal more gracefully!<br /><br />Francois <br /> </td></tr></table><br />Francois (my good friend):<br /><br />Please look at what you just wrote. If he couldn't have come any closer, how could this not be true?<br /><br />Regards -- Mark <br /> </td></tr></table><br />Mark,<br /><br />Let's say that there is a microscopically thin line that he didn't cross, but he came within a picometer of it! <br />Seriously Mark, I don't think it is worth going on a crusade for this and certainly not worth putting our friendship at risk! All will be over soon when Dwayne, no doubt, posts an excellent time. <br /><br />Regards<br /><br />Francois <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Francois:<br /><br />I understand ... just jousting with you a bit. I would never put our friendship in jepordy, I need too much help and support for the WP!<br /><br />Warm regards... Mark<br /><br />PS/NB - Besides, I love Canadians, especially those that are Francophone, so much so that I sleep with one (a DesBiens), oh yes, she's also my wife!<br /><br />

[[old] ancho]

How didn't I read this thread before?<br /><br />One question from my side:<br />Does a poll make Dwayne's times more real or more fake?<br />And is Chad calling Dwayne a liar if there are more "yes"-votes, and just trying to find out the truth if there are more "no"-votes???<br />