Low HR = much blood to muscles?

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Low HR = much blood to muscles?

Post by Marben » August 8th, 2017, 9:42 am

Hello!

Maybe I´m thinking totally wrong now. I have quite low resting HR (38/min). Does this necessarily mean that my heart is strong and pumps a lot of blood to the whole body?

The reason I´m wondering is that if low resting HR = strong heart = lots of blood out to the body maybe I should focus on interval session instead of long slow sessions? Because, if I understand correct, fast sessions like intervals helps the muscles to take up the oxygen better?

The more I think about it my theory sounds more and more stupid so I´ll click submit before I decides I´m wrong.

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Re: Low HR = much blood to muscles?

Post by Gammmmo » August 8th, 2017, 9:57 am

Your heart is a pump. The amount of blood you can send to muscles is governed by stroke volume and HR. Your heart is likely quite large. I suspect your HR doesn't go quite as high as others though (takes longer to re-fill)? Give us your maxHR and examples of where it is for specific sessions, your current max scores, and age. Even if your HR tends to go high I don't think you can necessarily assert a certain kind of training will be therefore be useful.

What you should be doing is looking at what training you have done and your goals, and experiment with differing amounts of training at different intensities, and see what works for YOU. Many people do well with a polarized approach but many indoor rowers don't log THAT many meters so alot of training is focused around specific sessions and quite different intensities to achieve a final goal i.e. it's all be worked out quite accurately and works for most.
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Re: Low HR = much blood to muscles?

Post by hjs » August 8th, 2017, 12:59 pm

Marben wrote:Hello!

Maybe I´m thinking totally wrong now. I have quite low resting HR (38/min). Does this necessarily mean that my heart is strong and pumps a lot of blood to the whole body?

The reason I´m wondering is that if low resting HR = strong heart = lots of blood out to the body maybe I should focus on interval session instead of long slow sessions? Because, if I understand correct, fast sessions like intervals helps the muscles to take up the oxygen better?

The more I think about it my theory sounds more and more stupid so I´ll click submit before I decides I´m wrong.

Best regards

/Marben
Low hf says, per stroke it pumps a lot of blood, says nothing about how to train, and certainly nothing about steady work or speed.
Speed work is needed if you are going for races.

Faster stuff does train the anaerobic energypaths, not the oxygen uptake.
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Re: Low HR = much blood to muscles?

Post by Marben » August 8th, 2017, 4:07 pm

Gammmmo: My max HR is between 185-190, maybe up to 195. Age is 38. Best 2K was 6:45 in February. Today I did 1 hour at 2:03, 19 spm and HR was 160 average.

HJS: But isn´t "slow" sessions like SS supposed to make the heart pump more blood per stroke? I thought that was the idea.

Thanks for your answers.

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Re: Low HR = much blood to muscles?

Post by hjs » August 8th, 2017, 4:24 pm

Marben wrote:Gammmmo: My max HR is between 185-190, maybe up to 195. Age is 38. Best 2K was 6:45 in February. Today I did 1 hour at 2:03, 19 spm and HR was 160 average.

HJS: But isn´t "slow" sessions like SS supposed to make the heart pump more blood per stroke? I thought that was the idea.

Thanks for your answers.
Not just that, ut2 not slow, sessions are to make the body use oxigion. You are never to fit for endurance sport, fitter is always better.
And every work you do where your heart needs to work for longer time will increese pumpvolume. Limited ofcourse to a certain point.
Don,t how you train, only doing long slow work will ofcourse not give you the best 2k, but as long as your ut2 sessions keep on getting better, you are building a better base.
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Re: Low HR = much blood to muscles?

Post by Marben » August 8th, 2017, 5:10 pm

Hjs: "And every work you do where your heart needs to work for longer time will increese pumpvolume" Well, yes and that´s why I´m wondering if low resting HR = greater pumpvolume? If that´s the case maybe a person with low resting HR doesn´t need that much longer work compared to a person with higher resting HR?

Of course the fitter the better but lets say I can do three sessions a week. In my case with a low resting HR (if that means good pumpvolume) maybe 2 interval session and 1 SS would be better than 2 SS and 1 interval. And I do understand that SS is also for bulding a strong stroke etc but if we only talk about fitness.

This is of course in general terms. What works for one might not work for another even if the circumstanses are lookalike.

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Re: Low HR = much blood to muscles?

Post by hjs » August 8th, 2017, 5:42 pm

Marben wrote:Hjs: "And every work you do where your heart needs to work for longer time will increese pumpvolume" Well, yes and that´s why I´m wondering if low resting HR = greater pumpvolume? If that´s the case maybe a person with low resting HR doesn´t need that much longer work compared to a person with higher resting HR?

Of course the fitter the better but lets say I can do three sessions a week. In my case with a low resting HR (if that means good pumpvolume) maybe 2 interval session and 1 SS would be better than 2 SS and 1 interval. And I do understand that SS is also for bulding a strong stroke etc but if we only talk about fitness.

This is of course in general terms. What works for one might not work for another even if the circumstanses are lookalike.
Roughly the same rules count for us all. Every very fast endurance athlete makes a lot of time at relative easy paces.

If you do only 3 sessions a week you certainly should make you sessions faster/tougher. 3 is way to little, on three sessions alone I would not bother at all with slower work, but only do harder training.
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Re: Low HR = much blood to muscles?

Post by JerekKruger » August 8th, 2017, 6:11 pm

Marben wrote:HJS: But isn´t "slow" sessions like SS supposed to make the heart pump more blood per stroke? I thought that was the idea.
Steady state also promotes mitochondrial biogenesis* and improvements in the capillary networks serving the muscles being used (amongst other adaptions that improve your body's ability to use oxygen for energy release). Even if your heart is very strong it might be that one of these other areas is bottlenecking your ability to use oxygen.

*Mitochondria are the oxygen burning power plants in your cells. Mitochondrial biogenesis simply refers to your cells making more of them.
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Re: Low HR = much blood to muscles?

Post by Marben » August 9th, 2017, 2:32 am

Hjs: Yes but very few of us are very fast. Do you mean that three times a week is way to little to do longer sessions or to be a decent (Indoor) rower?

Anyway, thanks for your replies.

JereKruger: Thanks.

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Re: Low HR = much blood to muscles?

Post by Gammmmo » August 9th, 2017, 2:52 am

Marben wrote:Gammmmo: My max HR is between 185-190, maybe up to 195. Age is 38. Best 2K was 6:45 in February. Today I did 1 hour at 2:03, 19 spm and HR was 160 average.

HJS: But isn´t "slow" sessions like SS supposed to make the heart pump more blood per stroke? I thought that was the idea.

Thanks for your answers.
For your age, that's a good ticker. :)
How tall / heavy are you? What has been your "interval regime" thus far?
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Re: Low HR = much blood to muscles?

Post by bisqeet » August 9th, 2017, 3:15 am

Gammmmo wrote:
Marben wrote:Gammmmo: My max HR is between 185-190, maybe up to 195. Age is 38. Best 2K was 6:45 in February. Today I did 1 hour at 2:03, 19 spm and HR was 160 average.

HJS: But isn´t "slow" sessions like SS supposed to make the heart pump more blood per stroke? I thought that was the idea.

Thanks for your answers.
For your age, that's a good ticker. :)
How tall / heavy are you? What has been your "interval regime" thus far?
theres a guy in sub7 that i refer to as the humming bird. around about 40-ish does a fair bit of erging, but regular posts screenshots of (for him) harder pieces with a 200+ HR. for me that would be like a scene from crank2...
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Re: Low HR = much blood to muscles?

Post by Marben » August 9th, 2017, 3:44 am

Gammmmo: Haha, for my age I feel that just sit on the erg quite good...

I´m 195 cm and about 82 kg. So I have a great height for rowing but could need 10 kg of muscles. But that is out of the question nowdays. I have not been doing much intervals lately but in may I did 8x500, 1 min rest at 1:43

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Re: Low HR = much blood to muscles?

Post by hjs » August 9th, 2017, 12:34 pm

Marben wrote:Hjs: Yes but very few of us are very fast. Do you mean that three times a week is way to little to do longer sessions or to be a decent (Indoor) rower?

Anyway, thanks for your replies.

JereKruger: Thanks.
Yep 3 times training is simply not enough. Can be decent but never great. Those few session should be hard.

Slow work needs to be high volume, daily and long.
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Re: Low HR = much blood to muscles?

Post by kerosene » August 9th, 2017, 1:27 pm

So with 3 workouts per week, what kind of routine "generally" makes sense?
A hard distance (alternating 5k, 6k, 30min)
B intervals (alternating 500m, 1000m, 1500m)
C ? More intervals? Another hard distance? Longer semi-hard like 10k or 1?

I read a good piece on UT2, and it agreed with you that its pointless if training volune is relatively low.
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Re: Low HR = much blood to muscles?

Post by hjs » August 9th, 2017, 3:17 pm

kerosene wrote:So with 3 workouts per week, what kind of routine "generally" makes sense?
A hard distance (alternating 5k, 6k, 30min)
B intervals (alternating 500m, 1000m, 1500m)
C ? More intervals? Another hard distance? Longer semi-hard like 10k or 1?

I read a good piece on UT2, and it agreed with you that its pointless if training volune is relatively low.
Depends ofcourse, goals?, personal strenghts, preferences.

Say goal is 2/5k work. I would say do one hard longer piece. Say 90/95% effort. Think 30min 10k.
Longer intervals, think 1500, shorter ones are also good, but do more, if you do 500 reps, do 15. Rest on 500 1 min, on 1500 4/5.
Also think combinations. Think 3k firm wu, 5 min rest, 5x 1/1 min, 5 rest another 3k.

Use those 3 sessions well, make them all count, train your weaknesses, combine different types of training in one session.


Just some rough guidelines, Fill in the details for yourself.
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