Cross Team Challenge - Discussion Thread

From the CRASH-B's to an online challenge, discuss the competitive side of erging here.
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Re: Cross Team Challenge - Discussion Thread

Post by Citroen » January 6th, 2019, 7:19 pm

The 400/401 strokes has been discounted as it is 100% impossible to achieve for anyone who doesn't use Ergdata or Rowpro. It's also impossible on a PM2/PM2+ as you wouldn't know until after you've completed the row that you were over or under the limit.

The folks who picked that idea clearly didn't have any knowledge of how the PMs (2, 3, 4 & 5) do strange rounding. They also didn't ask first on here if their proposal was sane, sensible, coherent & achievable.

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Re: Cross Team Challenge - Discussion Thread

Post by jackarabit » January 6th, 2019, 9:52 pm

The lady from Brum is entirely justified in entering her meter total for a 19.9 average spm effort. Some of our mathmatically precocious associates will no doubt attempt 418 total strokes for a “true” 20.9 average stroke rate but satisfy the rate restriction requirement by reference to their monitor readout. OBM explicitly invited this ‘rules are for fools’ approach in his initial description of the January challenge.
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Re: Cross Team Challenge - Discussion Thread

Post by lindsayh » January 7th, 2019, 5:12 am

Citroen wrote:
January 6th, 2019, 7:19 pm
The 400/401 strokes has been discounted as it is 100% impossible to achieve for anyone who doesn't use Ergdata or Rowpro. It's also impossible on a PM2/PM2+ as you wouldn't know until after you've completed the row that you were over or under the limit. The folks who picked that idea clearly didn't have any knowledge of how the PMs (2, 3, 4 & 5) do strange rounding. They also didn't ask first on here if their proposal was sane, sensible, coherent & achievable.
Sorry but have to disagree Doug - it is really easy and completely accurate to just count 400 strokes as 10 per 30" without any technical help at all.
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Re: Cross Team Challenge - Discussion Thread

Post by jackarabit » January 7th, 2019, 11:39 am

I understand and admire Mark and Lindsay’s confidence and pride in their mastery of unassisted rate control. When fresh as a daisy, 10 strokes per 30” isn’t really so difficult and almost anyone with a natural 3” drive plus recovery time can do 2 strokes per 6”. The difficulty of producing an absolutely accurate whole number rate average by stroke counting arises under the stress of a TT, which the ctc typically is. Maxing total meters encourages nearly all of us to use a full pressure stroke in a comp. Full pressure strokes produce muscular fatigue. Fatigue produces the over stress condition described by Joe Keating earlier. Typically, oxygen is rerouted from brain to body and maintaining a metronomic rate becomes largely the responsibilty of engrained muscle memory achieved by habitual practise rather than the responsibility of rapidly deteriorating counting skills. For many of us, the probability that we will overstroke or understroke the 39th or 40th iteration of 30”, the 19th or 20th iteration of 1’, or the ninth or tenth iteration of 2’ is large. Cerebral function gets short shrift in the room of the half dream.
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Re: Cross Team Challenge - Discussion Thread

Post by dcwm » January 7th, 2019, 5:30 pm

Hello,

I would like to create a new CTC team, with the name of "Ergo Ergo Sum".

Many thanks!

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Re: Cross Team Challenge - Discussion Thread

Post by Citroen » January 7th, 2019, 5:37 pm

dcwm wrote:
January 7th, 2019, 5:30 pm
I would like to create a new CTC team, with the name of "Ergo Ergo Sum".
Done, ready to go.

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