Annual Meters - Distance

johnlvs2run · Post by **johnlvs2run** » April 7th, 2006, 12:14 am

Naw the issue is what a dork you are, and you can't even use your own name any more what a dork hehehe.

Chad Williams · Post by **Chad Williams** » April 13th, 2006, 5:46 am

Since 4-3-2006 to 4-12-2006 Dwayne has rowed another 471,734m which is 52,414.8m per day average. This average has dropped from the previous 6 days which were rowed at an average of 56,368.3m per day

This has now pushed his daily average meters up to 45,728m. That average works out that he would have rowed 45,728m every single of every single week of every single month for the whole ranking year.

I find this fascinating.

ehagberg · Post by **ehagberg** » April 13th, 2006, 8:09 am

Chad Williams wrote: I find this fascinating.

I don't really understand why you have such a problem with this. Why not question everyone who has more than, say, 30km/day average? Or the other 40km+ erger?

Or even those of us who have more than 20k/day? Where do you draw the line for this "fascinating" achievement?

Chad Williams · Post by **Chad Williams** » April 13th, 2006, 8:32 am

ehagberg wrote:
Chad Williams wrote: I find this fascinating.
I don't really understand why you have such a problem with this. Why not question everyone who has more than, say, 30km/day average? Or the other 40km+ erger?

Or even those of us who have more than 20k/day? Where do you draw the line for this "fascinating" achievement?

I did not say I had a problem with it? Where did I say that? I said I find it fascinating that someone can row 52000m plus on a daily basis, every day of every week of every month for a whole year (average).

To be able to do this and be top of most virtual leagues is a great achievement, not even an ex Olympic medallist has done this (to date).

I am amazed that the U.S.A rowing coaches have not snapped him up for the national squad as he is on a par with the current members abilities, in some cases quicker.

Other people on the rankings distance list are not rowing World Class times for every distance that is why it does not interest me as much. Maybe if you were rowing 20000m plus a day and then rowing sub 5.50 for a 2000m you would come to my attention and that of a coach.

ehagberg · Post by **ehagberg** » April 13th, 2006, 8:40 am

Chad Williams wrote:Maybe if you were rowing 20000m plus a day and then rowing sub 5.50 for a 2000m you would come to my attention and that of a coach.

I bet I would... especially as I'm a lightweight.

Chad Williams · Post by **Chad Williams** » April 13th, 2006, 8:49 am

ehagberg wrote:
Chad Williams wrote:Maybe if you were rowing 20000m plus a day and then rowing sub 5.50 for a 2000m you would come to my attention and that of a coach.
I bet I would... especially as I'm a lightweight.

I bet you would to if you did it at a public event.

DavidA · Post by **DavidA** » April 17th, 2006, 4:45 pm

While I certainly don't have the time or mentality to erg for 3 hours a day, some people, I'm sure, do.
What is more difficult, however, is to have a mean of 3 h/day for 2 years. This means if you miss even one day because of sickness, injury, vacation, family resposiblities, etc. you have 3 hours to make up!! I think this would be no small task, even for someone who can already erg a lot.

David

ehagberg · Post by **ehagberg** » April 17th, 2006, 5:11 pm

IIRC, Dwayne mentioned that some percentage of his meters are on-water, so he's not just erging.

A skeptic might believe that those meters were likely to be fudged, or maybe rowed only downstream each time (making the time required to cover the distance far shorter).

I suppose that on a river dominated by tidal currrents, one could even schedule a row so that they rowed with (or against) the current in both directions!

Of course, for the naysayers, nothing will allow them to believe the numbers Dwayne posts, and especially for something like this where each and every log entry can't be scrutinized... there will only be disbelief.

Rockin Roland · Post by **Rockin Roland** » April 17th, 2006, 11:55 pm

I hope that in future C2 put a stop to the ability to be able to log on water meters to your C2 log book. It distorts the true picture of how much someone has actually rowed on the erg and is unfair to those that don't row on the water.

This is a C2 indoor rower website (nothing to do with boats). Perhaps it's C2's way of keeping the connection with its boat rowing customers and their interest.

Dwayne like myself would rack up big numbers on the water. I in principle refuse to log my water meters and have never done so (if I did my annual meters total at a guess would be several million higher and SCIRC would be higher in the club rankings). Obviously Dwayne feels differently about it and does it because it's allowed.

Better if C2 changed the rules for next season.

GeorgeD · Post by **GeorgeD** » April 18th, 2006, 3:20 am

On the erg your meters are accurately measured - how is that done on the water?

George

ehagberg · Post by **ehagberg** » April 18th, 2006, 4:49 am

GeorgeD wrote:On the erg your meters are accurately measured - how is that done on the water?

George

Usually you can tell how far you've gone if you row to specific markers - a particular bridge for example - before turning around and heading back to the boathouse. As the distance from the boathouse to the bridge is a known quantity, you double that number to get your round-trip distance.

Or you could use a GPS device. Or a properly-calibrated speedcoach.

Chad Williams · Post by **Chad Williams** » April 18th, 2006, 6:17 am

I understand that Dwayne is on vacation from Wednesday 19th, even though he is on leave I will still be watching the Annual Meters board, I am interested to see how many meters he logs when he does not have the use of an erg.

He has only logged 29,780m average per day (148,900 for 5 days) since the 14th April, must be winding down for his vacation.

whp4 · Post by **whp4** » April 18th, 2006, 1:14 pm

Rockin Roland wrote:I hope that in future C2 put a stop to the ability to be able to log on water meters to your C2 log book. It distorts the true picture of how much someone has actually rowed on the erg and is unfair to those that don't row on the water.

This is a C2 indoor rower website (nothing to do with boats). Perhaps it's C2's way of keeping the connection with its boat rowing customers and their interest.

Dwayne like myself would rack up big numbers on the water. I in principle refuse to log my water meters and have never done so (if I did my annual meters total at a guess would be several million higher and SCIRC would be higher in the club rankings). Obviously Dwayne feels differently about it and does it because it's allowed.

Better if C2 changed the rules for next season.

When I go to the Concept2 website, the page title clearly says "Rowing Machine and Oars" and there's a picture of a bunch of people in what looks suspiciously like a floating vessel on the water

C2 obviously understands that some people row on water and might like to use the logbook instead of keeping two sets of records. I'm having a really hard time seeing how how any harm is coming my way because some people might do some of their rowing on the water (yikes, what is this world coming to?) and choose to use the C2-provided logbook in a fashion C2 endorses! What's next, only allowing the logging of meters that are done at a 1:50/500m pace or better, in a public venue with witnesses approved by a select few?

While I might agree that adding the on-water meters distorts the picture of how much someone has actually rowed on the erg, it isn't like we get a particularly clear picture there either; in some ways, I find it a more interesting question to know how much time was spent. Speaking of spending time, all the time you spend driving to the water, rigging your shell, rowing, rinsing off the salt water, stowing the shell, driving home, I can spend those hours rowing in the next room, without all the time overhead. I agree, this is terribly disadvantageous to me

Reasonable people can agree to disagree on whether the on-water meters should appear in the annual meters tally or only in one's logbook view. Given that C2 appears willing to give out the million meter club prizes based on the aggregate of indoor and outdoor meters, I'd say they have the more inclusive view. I don't see any compelling reason to change the way it currently is. We only get so many hours of website tinkering out of Bill each year - surely that isn't the best use we can make of him!

Bill

Daren · Post by **Daren** » April 18th, 2006, 1:30 pm

Furthermore, as far as the annual metres go (as opposed to ranked times), there's ambiguity with regard to which erg metres count. Some people include warm-ups and cool-downs. Others only log set pieces. Some people include the 15 or so extra metres that the PM registers beyond the last stroke as the flywheel is slowing, others don't.

Me? I log everything. Warm-ups, cool-downs, aborted rows, run-off... everything. If it's on my PM3, I claim it. =)

Godfried · Post by **Godfried** » April 18th, 2006, 1:36 pm

Daren wrote:... Me? I log everything. Warm-ups, cool-downs, aborted rows, run-off... everything. If it's on my PM3, I claim it. =)

There hasn't been very much on your PM3 lately.

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